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Re: Next generation Z4 - 01-16-2007, 06:53 PM

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Finally from the mouth of a BMWer that the manual M5 was a mistake.
Khm ...

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M5 manual was built for US market only - because BMW NA insisted due the demand was high (yeah, Americans wanted stick in their M5 / M6; and US is the largest market for ///M cars). And AG decided to offer a "simple & cheap" solution: pairing modified old gearbox with a new S85 engine & chassis.

And the customers who wanted the manual gearbox were told the car would not be as capable as the one with SMG III, but a majority of them wanted a stick anyway. And they got it. Basically BMW were forced to built a "worse" M5 just because a quite large bunch of customers wanted so.
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Re: Next generation Z4 - 01-16-2007, 06:55 PM

I like the hardtop convertible idea.... I think that should be pretty much standard at this point on all convertibles.... ESPECIALLY the Z4, im CERTAIN that would be a major palyer in increase of sales, especially in the US.
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Re: Next generation Z4 - 01-16-2007, 07:00 PM

hmm I really cannot stand hardtop convetables, and I would die if all convertables were hard top, to put it lightly...
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Re: Next generation Z4 - 01-16-2007, 07:40 PM

WOW!!! Really!?!?!? Why?
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Re: Next generation Z4 - 01-16-2007, 07:51 PM

Well, for one, they add soooo much unecessary weight...
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Thumbs up Re: Next generation Z4 - 01-16-2007, 07:59 PM

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Finally from the mouth of a BMWer that the manual M5 was a mistake.
Same as with the Ferrari F430 (or was it 360) manual.
Americans watch NASCAR not F1, so hopefully no more coupling a superb F1 inspired engine with a manual.
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Re: Next generation Z4 - 01-17-2007, 04:53 AM

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hmm I really cannot stand hardtop convetables, and I would die if all convertables were hard top, to put it lightly...
If I were to choose convertibles I'd prefer them to be hardtop ALL the time.
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Re: Next generation Z4 - 01-17-2007, 05:00 AM

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If I were to choose convertibles I'd prefer them to be hardtop ALL the time.
Why not just get the coupe version than?

IMO hard tops (a)add way to much weight than needed and (b) not as attractive as either the coupe or the soft top, buy one or the other dont try to be both.

I can understand them in regular convertables, like on a Eos, Volvo, or even a 3er cab, but...

on sports cars like an M3, Zwhatever, Slk and what not, WHY? it is counter prdouctive.

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Re: Next generation Z4 - 01-17-2007, 06:10 AM

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Why not just get the coupe version than?

IMO hard tops (a)add way to much weight than needed and (b) not as attractive as either the coupe or the soft top, buy one or the other dont try to be both.

I can understand them in regular convertables, like on a Eos, Volvo, or even a 3er cab, but...

on sports cars like an M3, Zwhatever, Slk and what not, WHY? it is counter prdouctive.
Because I want the best of both worlds - the perceived security of a hard-top, and the wind-in-your-face fun of a convertible.

I get your point about sports cars though, but then again sports cars are the best cars to pose in.
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Re: Next generation Z4 - 01-17-2007, 06:27 AM

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hmm I really cannot stand hardtop convetables, and I would die if all convertables were hard top, to put it lightly...
You say you can't stand hardtop convertibles, but tell me Choleric, do you own or have you ever owned a convertible?

People vote with their feet, and it's clear that buyers of premium roadsters now demand a folding hardtops. Personally speaking, I and most of the motoring public could care less about the weight penalty incurred by a feature that adds so much to the domestication to a car.

I could very well be in the market for a car like the Z4 by 2009, but if it's a ragtop I'm just not interested. In the price bracket occupied by cars like SLK, Z4 and TT, domestication, style and creature comforts take precedence over dynamic performance. Sure, we buy into the image of these cars being "cutting edge performance machines", but let's face it, they're really lifestyle accessories.
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