says who? design is personal, no rights or wrong just opinions. And you thinking its ugly, no surprise there.

I was talking about its on road performance which is forgiveable as its tuned for the track and not the road, even though most owners will probably never/hardly track it.

I like plenty of BMW's though, I like the M-tech 5er, M5, M6 and the 3er drop top in that sneak preview/spy pic.

The Z4 is just really ugly though.

in your opinion yes, not in mine.

do you think that any BMW is ugly?

X3 and 7-series before the facelift and every bimmer older than 1996

You have weird tastes. There were some very nice bmws older than 1996.

some yes but not many. My affection to BMW really started with E46 and E39 and E36.

You know - to guys like us - Jeremy Clarkson is very much like Pat Robertson. Both of these guys aren't terribly important, yet we love to pay attention and get really worked up when they make lunatic comments.

I'd also liken Jeremy to Ann Coulter in the sense that his career is predicated on being an obtuse firebrand. He's the original tabloid-motorjournalist who carries the pretensions of somebody worth listening to.

Way to put it Osnabrueck...using all those big words...you should teach a litrature class j/k