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Old 05-09-2008, 04:39 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Re: X6 2008 quota already sold out!

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Once the production allocation is sold to dealer, the car is sold as for as manufacturer is concerned.
Well, then every car will be sold out cause manufacturers don't stock them (afaik).

When E46 M3 was sold out here in the US in the first year (I was actively looking to get one, so I know) every one of them was spoken for by a customer who had put a deposit with the dealer (of course some of them didn't exercise the option of buying it which meant it became available), so unless the definitions have changed since then, "sold out" mean actually sold to the customer.
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Old 05-09-2008, 04:46 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Re: X6 2008 quota already sold out!

Sold out already?

Pretty good for a pointless car...

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Old 05-09-2008, 06:33 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Re: X6 2008 quota already sold out!

We had a conversation long ago about BTO (build to order).
There are different approaches manufacturers use.

BTO, for build to order; DTO, for deliver to order; and BTM for build to market (forecasts).

These variants differ in important ways, even in the ways they distribute the benefits and costs of improved OTD across the value chain.

- A BTO approach uses the customer order as the initial signal for a pull manufacturing system. The customer reviews a copy of the vehicle, selects the trim, option, and color packages, then orders the configured vehicle.
- The DTO model calls for searching a local or regional geographical base for inventory, as well as vehicles already in the manufacturing queue, but not yet assigned to a particular customer.
- The BTM model calls for improving the accuracy of market forecasts used to generate build schedules, rather than relying directly on customer orders to trigger manufacturing.

The BTM - DTO systems dominant in the USA, but in Germany the BTO system is dominant.

About 50-55% of BMW BTO, as in they're sold before they're even build. In the USA the latest figures I have is that only 30% of BMW cars are BTO, witch is quite different from Europe (particularily some countries).

There was even a case with a GCZ member (I think it was Giannis) who ordered a BMW via BTO and he/BMW told us when it was gonna be build.
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Old 05-09-2008, 07:00 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Re: X6 2008 quota already sold out!

Right. This thing is whether or not this "sold out" means that other half of the 40K units (20K) are all BTM orders for the rest of the world outside the U.S. I seriously doubt it. They would have to be a combination of the 3, BTO, DTO, BTM, IMO.

Second thing is what exactly does BMW's sales press releases give a record of?

If the BTO is about 50-55 percent in Europe then the press release can't possibly just include these numbers because they'd be way too high. Seems to me at the end of the day it is still what BMW shipped, with all the other details being kept internal as to what percentage of those units were BTO or DTO or BTM.

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Re: X6 2008 quota already sold out!

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If the BTO is about 50-55 percent in Europe then the press release can't possibly just include these numbers because they'd be way too high. Seems to me at the end of the day it is still what BMW shipped, with all the other details being kept internal as to what percentage of those units were BTO or DTO or BTM.

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I think everyone's reading into the "press release" a bit too much... the simple fact of the matter is that all ~40,000 of this year's X6 allocation is accounted for. That's it!
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Old 05-09-2008, 07:36 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Re: X6 2008 quota already sold out!

Accounted for being sold to dealers then yes, it is what it is.

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Re: X6 2008 quota already sold out!

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Right. This thing is whether or not this "sold out" means that other half of the 40K units (20K) are all BTM orders for the rest of the world outside the U.S. I seriously doubt it. They would have to be a combination of the 3, BTO, DTO, BTM, IMO.

Second thing is what exactly does BMW's sales press releases give a record of?

If the BTO is about 50-55 percent in Europe then the press release can't possibly just include these numbers because they'd be way too high. Seems to me at the end of the day it is still what BMW shipped, with all the other details being kept internal as to what percentage of those units were BTO or DTO or BTM.

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1] Yep.
2] 50-55% is for BMW worldwide sales.
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Old 05-12-2008, 11:29 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Re: X6 2008 quota already sold out!

They can't be sold out.

I'm first on my dealer's list, and I have yet to pay for this vehicle, like the tens after me.

This is more of a prediction that may be close in truth at the end.
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Re: X6 2008 quota already sold out!

It simply means all the dealers have spoken for all the units that are going to be produced, nothing more. Every one of the 20K units for the U.S. market sure as heck don't have a name attached to them!

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It simply means all the dealers have spoken for all the units that are going to be produced, nothing more. Every one of the 20K units for the U.S. market sure as heck don't have a name attached to them!

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