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Osnabrueck

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Originally Posted by Maserati

Guys I dunno but I always find this kind of "unfairness" in all corporations... my work, most of the enhancement in the GSM/UMTS quality of service is done by lower jobs (Techs & Engineers) while our director gets all the credit!

Look at the flip side - If people are doing a lousy job they take the heat too.

I understand though - when we're talking about upper, upper management it is something about hiring the right middle management and taking credit for all their blood, sweat and long hours. That's just how it works... Yeah, I might not get the big laurels in my company, but I also get paid.

Maserati

Osna: True, eventually we all get paid ... but believe or not .. we didn't know that they get paid "special" bonuses for targets set for us ... example: we were required to put up on air like 300 new sites as a network expansion. For us it was a challenging task while for our management it only ment more $$$ .. they got paid atleast 300K $ each .. while us, who did the exact work .. got our salaries at the end of the month and that was all. I know it is our job but what exactly they did ? nothing, they collected the stats of our so far done job and presented it to the management. How ironic ! just to give u an idea, we had a high staff turnover due to such kind of stuff .. and now they created some kind of "retention" program to maintain key staff .. and guess who were nominated ! again the same people, higher management only (it was limited to 5% of 10K employees = 500 employee). The ironic thing that we were downsizing and some staff were marked as redundant, & some of those "redundant" were nominated for the retention program !!!! how stupid

martinbo

It all boils down to this: you can claim to put in hours of hard work and be a real clever trevor but ultimately if you're not putting your cock on the block then you can't expect to get the credit for it. Chris Bangle carries the mantle of responsibility for BMW's design direction - and when it doesn't garner favourable public opinion then who gets caned? The designers in the back office or the chap sticking his neck out?

JasonR

Wow, really good, amazing. I was skeptical, but I'm a believer now!

Tycoon

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Originally Posted by martinbo

and when it doesn't garner favourable public opinion then who gets caned? The designers in the back office or the chap sticking his neck out?

The one in the bold part. As soon as some other get it, we'll be spared of Bangle-butt and other ***** as well.

onehots2k

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Originally Posted by EnI

Let me explain why Bangle is "credited" for BMW designs.

He is a design chief. He is an advocate ("Page Ranking person") for designs. Inside the company (vs Board of directors, engineers, product planners etc) and also outside the company (press, general public, professional public etc.
But the press like to simplify things: and they credit design chief for a particular design although design chiefs usually do not design at all!!!

What does Bangle really do? He is kind a "art director" - having a design vision which is coordinated & confirmed by design strategists (marketing aspect of design) and he whole Board of Directors - they give a green light for a strategy & particular designs. He gives general directions to sub-design chiefs, and they pass it to designer teams.

All design processes are supervised & managed by design chief - usually not directly, but via sub-chiefs (brand design chief, exterior design chief, interior design chief, project design chief etc).

Design chief then present design proposals to Bod, and they pick "semifinalists", and then the work is done on semifinalists only (bigger scale models) ... all to finalists (usually 2, sometimes even 3). Full scale models of finalists are done, and BoD picks one - the final chose design that goes into production. Design chief at all levels advocates for designs, and influences the BoD decision. Then when work continues on a picked design only - then sometimes Bangle comes to check the progress - perhaps giving some suggestions on very final touches - many changes are done due engineering issues.

Eg. it's also Bangles task to convince BoD (or a certain member of BoD) designer solutions should prevail, and the others (like eg. engineers, product planners, marketing guys etc) should find their solution to fit the design - instead vice versa.

Individual designers are fully responsible for design ideas. Design chiefs can pick their favorite designs among proposals & advocate for these designs more efficiently & eagerly. They can even get some advices, but not a single line an a sketch or clay model is made by a design chief. Therefore design chief never takes cradit for design. They usually use words "we designed" or "our design", not "I" & "My".

Like Hussein said: lately BMW let designers of winning proposals to give interviews, be present in promo photos, be present at premieres etc.

Also: most innovative designers like A. van Hooydonk (7er, 6er), Anders Warming (Z4, Mille Miglia)), Chirs Chapman (E53 X5, 1er, xCoupe) - have all been promoted. AvH is a chief designer of BMW Automobile, Warming is extrior design chief of BMW, and Chapman is chief of Automobile design studio of Designworks.

Btw, BMW also push Bangle in the spotlights because he is so convincing & such enthusiast when it comes to design. He is the best person for advocating for designs & explaining the idea behind. He has got a huge charisma. He is kind a "rock star" of design.

Pure awesomeness. Thank you for your very thoughtful and very lucid thoughts and information on this topic.

RICHBOY

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This would be my color choice..

Deutsch

One of the best cars to premier all year.

Choleric

I would buy one of these.

Wow!

EMpower

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Originally Posted by RICHBOY

This would be my color choice..

What color is it? new color? looks sparkly.