Originally Posted by EniLab

From what I've heard there would be an aero package. And of course the upcoming is / si version will have a slightly different appearence (bumpers & side skirts). But personally I haven't seen the aero and is package yet. Still some issue to work on, hehe.



BMW do not see E90 a risk. It was also an evolutionary approach. Maybe not as ortodox evolution as on E70, but still an evolution. Mind that X5 was a special design by BMW when it came out - and it still is: shape wise. It only needs a new skin - and it is getting one. Btw, when you'll see the E70 IRL you'll realise there is a huge difference between E53 & E70 despite some design elements (lines, rear lights etc) are staying almost the same.

All BMW Group designs since 1992 have been designed under Bangle supervision! Even the latest "not so radical" E90, E92/3, E70, new MINI etc.

But mind that Bangle is not the only one responsible for BMW design: he is more like an executor of the policy that is decided by Management Board - and suggested by leading BMW designers & of course department for design strategy (who incorporates a lot of marketing point of view!). Bangle is the one who guide the design process: he is the link between the designers & the top managment who actually decides designs! Mind that Bangle reports periodically about design development of every BMW Group car to the Management Board who give directions where to go with a specific car design. Mind that car design process is very complicated process which involves - beside normal design work also a strategic design, top management, engineering, financial & marketing decisions.

Btw, I've wrote about new 5er in a new 5er thread (the one with Huckfeldt's CGI).

Originally Posted by EniLab

And that knowing too much makes headache.

Originally Posted by EniLab

No problem. But mind that although I know a lot I still do not know everything.

And that decision taking process is extremely dynamic - with a lot of changes, bumpy roads, quick shifts etc. And that some decisions are taken in the last minute. So ...

And that I do not tell you things I was prohibited to reveal.

And that knowing too much makes headache.

Originally Posted by EniLab

Rear lights:
- the white plastic is more inserted in red part - not like on CGI where white part is not fully surrounded with red plastic - especially the part on rear door.
- there are 4 CELIS LED strips present in the red part (just under the white one) - on CGI they are missing
- the outer edge of cluster (the one on the flank) is not so pointed, but a bit more rounded (but not completely round!)

But they got the graphics right.

Originally Posted by EniLab

Really - it's so funny to read all the forums - and especially press where one should think they have more insights - and all the Bangle comments.

They obviously think Bangle comes to the designers and says: "Oh, guys let's make a super swooshy-wooshy ultra dynaaaaaamic be-em-dubleya with biiiiiiiig wheels today. An über dynamic car with super sexy lines. And a big butt. Yeah, big wide butt. And big eyebrows. And angry look which is saying 'Move out of my way'. Yeah, let's do it guys. Because it's Tuesday."

Design process is really complicated process with a lot of people involved. While the strategic design decisions are based on future trends prediction, on marketing researches, customer surveys, marketing aspects etc. When the course is decided it's Bangles task to present the course to his under-bosses & designers who bring out the best ideas which are then presented to the Board who decides about the design.

And why specific BMW cars look like like they look is a result of strategic design decision based on marketing aspects (revolution or evolution), design bosses choices (first filter), Board's decision (final filter), engineering aspects (safety, space, weight, aerodynamics, etc), financial aspects (costs of tooling & other engineering) and others.

Originally Posted by EMpower

Are we getting the bright LEDs on the taillights as most other manufacturers are doing on their new cars? Like the E46 3-series convertible.

Originally Posted by EniLab

Really - it's so funny to read all the forums - and especially press where one should think they have more insights - and all the Bangle comments.

They obviously think Bangle comes to the designers and says: "Oh, guys let's make a super swooshy-wooshy ultra dynaaaaaamic be-em-dubleya with biiiiiiiig wheels today. An über dynamic car with super sexy lines. And a big butt. Yeah, big wide butt. And big eyebrows. And angry look which is saying 'Move out of my way'. Yeah, let's do it guys. Because it's Tuesday."

Design process is really complicated process with a lot of people involved. While the strategic design decisions are based on future trends prediction, on marketing researches, customer surveys, marketing aspects etc. When the course is decided it's Bangles task to present the course to his under-bosses & designers who bring out the best ideas which are then presented to the Board who decides about the design.

And why specific BMW cars look like like they look is a result of strategic design decision based on marketing aspects (revolution or evolution), design bosses choices (first filter), Board's decision (final filter), engineering aspects (safety, space, weight, aerodynamics, etc), financial aspects (costs of tooling & other engineering) and others.