The iDrive: actually a Benz idea after all? - Page 2

Centurion · **Re: The iDrive: actually a Benz idea after all? -** 01-21-2008, 07:56 AM

Great! Now I hope bimmer fanatics will stop claiming that the S-class is inspired by the 7er. Nice find Raoul.

Tycoon · **Re: The iDrive: actually a Benz idea after all? -** 01-21-2008, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Luwalira

Great! Now I hope bimmer fanatics will stop claiming that the S-class is inspired by the 7er. Nice find Raoul.

Yes, it is. The interior layout; ctrl+c - ctrl+v.

How 'bout that?

EnI · **Re: The iDrive: actually a Benz idea after all? -** 01-21-2008, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SDNR

The 1996 Mercedes-Benz F200 Imagination concept appears to have a similar telematic system.

Not presenting something publicly doesn't necessary mean some company isn't working on some solution.

Sometimes some carmaker shows / introduces some solution first - but it can happen some other manufacturer is working on the same solution for even longer period of time.

Eg. BMW have been working on turbo engines for a long time but waiting for the best possible time to introduce the engines again. It's also about marketing strategy, financial possibilities (development budget), etc.

To understand moves of certain companies a lot of aspect should be considered. Incl. trends, marketing strategy (incl. brand values), financial aspects (R&D figures, purchasing power of certain company, costs of certain tech / materials etc).

Like said many times: today almost all large companies have technological & engineering possibility to develop anything. Yet they are usually limited by budgets & marketing.

coolraoul · **Re: The iDrive: actually a Benz idea after all? -** 01-21-2008, 08:25 AM

@ Tycoon: And the 7er/6er Bangle-butt has been stolen from the Maybach Concept (BMW Z9 is 1999)...

And Mercedes-Benz created (often with the help of Bosch) the Adaptative Cruise control, the Keyless Go, the ABS, ESP, Airbag, adaptative seats...

Mercedes invented the safety cell, the safety-steering, the safety door-lockers...

The first two real cars in the world are 1886 Benz and 1886 Daimler, the first diesel is a Mercedes-Benz..

Don't you think it is quite ridiculous? Fanboy fight like Rob said.

I only thought it was worth mentionning, especially because a lot of Beemer fans kept saying the S-Class is only a copy of the 7er, which is not true.n Some elements are inspired, of course, but that's all. And some elements of Mercedes inspired the Beemer.

Don't begin a war about that and who copied who. I only said Mercedes DID NOT copy the iDrive from BMW. Period.
If you want to speak about who invented what you'd better be from the Mercedes side, that's fact. But that is not the point here.

Matt530i · **Re: The iDrive: actually a Benz idea after all? -** 01-21-2008, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by coolraoul

Can we blame Mercedes if plaid seating surfaces become standard?

Seriously though, like Eni said, the appearance of a control interface in a concept vehicle doesn't make it Benz's idea. It would appear that they were the first to showcase the idea in a concept. Either way, all the German companies offer a lot of innovation and saying company A or company B is 'really responsible for idea X' is just going to start a fanboy war.

coolraoul · **Re: The iDrive: actually a Benz idea after all? -** 01-21-2008, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by EnI

Not presenting something publicly doesn't necessary mean some company isn't working on some solution.

Sometimes some carmaker shows / introduces some solution first - but it can happen some other manufacturer is working on the same solution for even longer period of time.

Eg. BMW have been working on turbo engines for a long time but waiting for the best possible time to introduce the engines again. It's also about marketing strategy, financial possibilities (development budget), etc.

To understand moves of certain companies a lot of aspect should be considered. Incl. trends, marketing strategy (incl. brand values), financial aspects (R&D figures, purchasing power of certain company, costs of certain tech / materials etc).

Like said many times: today almost all large companies have technological & engineering possibility to develop anything. Yet they are usually limited by budgets & marketing.

You are right EnI.
I think I've been misunderstood.

A lot of people said: the 7er has an iDrive. MB bought a 7er, saw how iDrive works and put it, slightly improved, in the W221.

Well this proves that MB worked on it since at least 1995, so they were already working on it when the e65 was released. This is not a copy of the iDrive, even if it appears similar.

That is all I wanted to point out!

Just_me · **Re: The iDrive: actually a Benz idea after all? -** 01-21-2008, 08:36 AM

Maybe we should go deeper and we might found that germans wasnt first with I-drive at all. I bet the japanese dudes where thinking about this before the germans

Tycoon · **Re: The iDrive: actually a Benz idea after all? -** 01-21-2008, 08:36 AM

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@ Tycoon: And the 7er/6er Bangle-butt has been stolen from the Maybach Concept (BMW Z9 is 1999)...

Hardly.

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Originally Posted by coolraoul

Don't you think it is quite ridiculous? Fanboy fight like Rob said.

Please restrain of calling me fanboy.

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Originally Posted by coolraoul

I only thought it was worth mentionning, especially because a lot of Beemer fans kept saying the S-Class is only a copy of the 7er, which is not true.n Some elements are inspired, of course, but that's all. And some elements of Mercedes inspired the Beemer.

S class is NOT a copy of 7er, just the interior reminds a lot on 7er, nothing else.

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Originally Posted by coolraoul

Don't begin a war about that and who copied who. I only said Mercedes DID NOT copy the iDrive from BMW. Period.
If you want to speak about who invented what you'd better be from the Mercedes side, that's fact. But that is not the point here.

I'm not starting war, it's you, so please.

bmer · **Re: The iDrive: actually a Benz idea after all? -** 01-21-2008, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Luwalira

Great! Now I hope bimmer fanatics will stop claiming that the S-class is inspired by the 7er. Nice find Raoul.

I don't see raoul saying that, Luw. On the contrary actually.

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Originally Posted by coolraoul

Well I did thought MB copied BMW on this thing, I really did. They were really inspired by the interior design, they copied the gear level, and I thought they copied the iDrive too

coolraoul · **Re: The iDrive: actually a Benz idea after all? -** 01-21-2008, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Tycoon

Yes, it is. The interior layout; ctrl+c - ctrl+v.

How 'bout that?

This looks like war declaration...

Anyway, the interior layout IS inspired. I'm the first to recognize it.

But the Controller is not a copy of the iDrive. Both worked on it, period. No copy here. I thought the contrary, actually.
So this is here for information purpose...

I did not wanted to open a war or anything, I found this information interesting, I put it here. End of story.

Maybe the title of the topic should be changed?