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400 hp is NOT ENOUGH. I bet the M6 probably started in the wrong gear as well

the Gallardo driver keeps saying the results were the same no matter the gear are you KIDDING ME? so starting a 50km/h race in 1st which goes to 105 yielded an equivalent result to starting in 2nd which goes to 150?

again, this guy is SELLING a product.

im not guessing on whats been done. Ive read it. ECU and exhaust mods. unless that gets the hp to 500+, the results of this race can be followed right to the driver's lack of knowledge... or whatever it is that leads people to race in the wrong gear


WHATEVER you see in that video right there (whether the 135 has 300, 400 or 500 hp) can be improved upon DRAMATICALLY by the Gallardo.

Nope ,no wrong gears. It was from one of those M5board.com events.

those videos are also limited by their drivers. they just recently posted a race between a G spyder and an M6 with the Gallardo in the wrong gear too. they have had races where the drivers have missed gears, and races where either something was wrong with the car, or the driver was HORRIBLE.

again, even if we take the 135i out of that video and imagine it was a timed run, the Gallardo would have done LEAGUES better had it been in 1st gear.

Wow you guys are really going for it aren't you
Ok let's look at it in a different way:

The 135i Vishnu tuned:

410 PS
500 NM
1560 kg

The gallardo:

500 PS
510 NM
1430 kg

When you are talking about acceleration from a certain speed (as they do in the above movie) the three things that matter most are torque, weight and gear ratios. Horsepower is only important when talking about high speeds.
If lambornimo says that the gallardo goes up to 105 km/u in first gear and up to 150 in second gear, this would mean it has gear ratios that are rather long.
Torque figure on both cars is about the same, (the torque on the 135 is a guess as I couldn't find it but the standard one has 400 Nm and 306 PS, this one has 410 PS so the torque raise will have about the same ratio, but the max HP might be at higher RPM (you know that torque x RPM = power) so this will not be to far off).

Conclusion: The Gallardo is lighter so that will give it an advantage, but the gear ratio is longer (specially when starting in second gear) which will be a disadvantage. The torque curve of the 135 is rather flat (thanks to the turbo's) so that gives the 135i an advantage, as the Gallardo will have less torque at lower RPM than the 135.

Add all these thing together and the result will be that a gallardo in first gear might be somewhat quicker than the 135 (but we are not talking about seconds here). If the gallardo starts in 2nd gear it will be slower than the 135 as you can see in the movie, and again this is just thents of seconds. Remember if you drive at 100 km/u 0.1 s is a car length (3.3 m).

My conclusion the driver in the video is not cheating at all. I can however imagine that it is painfull for a Lambo fan to see a tuned 135i keep up and even being faster then the gallardo (in a straight line that is, we're not talking about track times here).

I hope this was helpful.

the earlier Gallardo gearing is long, but only really slows the car down when taking off at a street start without a powerlaunch. other than that, the gearing isnt too long for the power the car has.

keep in mind that a Gallardo puts about 400 hp to the ground. thats more than that 135i is making at the crank.

moreover, shorter gears = more shifting, and unless the 135i has the GTR or F430S' gear box, then that will also hurt it.

as you said its all about the torque (and dont forget that you need the power to overcome wind resistance, especilly when going over 90 mph), and when you have a NORMALY aspirated engine that goes to 8000+ rpm, starting a race at about 3000 rpm would leave much to be desired in terms of both power and torque, especially when put up against a turboed engine with a much flatter torque curve. agreed?


that said, I stand by what I said earlier that had the Gallardo started in the correct gear, it would have made a world of difference.

moreover, just to overkill this whole thing here is a video of a 2004 (earlier) Gallardo with the long gearing vs an F430:

YouTube - 04 Lamborghini Gallardo vs. 07 Ferrari F430

dont look at the result (very equal competitors), what I want to point out is the SOUND. the Gallardo is at the right revs and its LOUD. in the 135i video you dont even hear the Gallardo until its about to go into 3rd (by which time the 135i has already shifted twice).

I looked at both videos again and in the vishnu video the sound is very hard to hear, caused by driving winds.

"as you said its all about the torque (and dont forget that you need the power to overcome wind resistance, especilly when going over 90 mph), and when you have a NORMALY aspirated engine that goes to 8000+ rpm, starting a race at about 3000 rpm would leave much to be desired in terms of both power and torque, especially when put up against a turboed engine with a much flatter torque curve. agreed?"

I do agree, that's why in the second run the 135 is much faster. In the last run you can see that if they would have gone any further the lambo would be faster then the 135, as you point out due to the higher wind resistance and the higher power output of the Gallardo. And indeed shifting gears gives a time loss too that's correct.

Well we should do the video ourselves, right
Come one who's gallardo can we lend and who can get us a Vishnu 135???

the second run? the one where the lambo forgets to GO? either way it said 25-65 mph...all of which is in the lambo's first gear (and the guy was probably in 2nd anyways, so its not gonna help )

you can clearly hear in the 135i video that the Gallardo is LOW LOW LOW in the revs, whereas in the F430 one the Gallardo is SCREAMING up top.

Uggh, why so much heart ache over a tuned turbo car beating a super car. There have been already many Evos and STIs that would humiliate a stock Lambo no matter what gear it starts in, especially at lower speeds.

yes, but this race was inaccurate.

but this race was no wrong. a tuned 335i can keep up with a M6 and Galllardo to a certain speed. That is a fact.
Lambornima, you have too many excuses I dont know what disturb you the most, that a M6 is faster than a Gallardo or that a tuned 335can keep up with a Gallardo