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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Mercedes-Benz S400 BlueHYBRID ![]() German automakers pride themselves on being at the leading edge of new technology, so it has been a bit of an embarrassment that—a decade after Toyota (TM) launched the Prius—none of them has a hybrid electric model on the market. But, with fuel economy and environmental impact suddenly a key concern for well-heeled buyers, Daimler's (DAI) Mercedes unit is finally poised to get into the hybrid game. In June 2009 the company will begin European sales of a hybrid version of its luxury S-Class that, its engineers say, will use 7.9 liters of gasoline per 100 km (or get 29.8 miles per gallon). Launches in the U.S. and China will follow in September, Mercedes said on Sept. 11. The carmaker hasn't yet established a price for the hybrid land yacht, but Mercedes Sales and Marketing Director Klaus Maier said the premium will be less than €10,000, or $14,000. The S-Class starts at about $88,000 in the U.S., though the top-of-the-line V12 costs a staggering $145,000. Why Such a Big Car Cynics might say that people concerned about global warming and the massive transfer of wealth to oil-producing nations should simply buy a smaller car. But Mercedes executives don't think their customer base has quite reached that stage of enlightenment. "Not everyone can drive a Smart on vacation," Maier says. "We need solutions for big cars." Why did it take so long for Mercedes to get into the hybrid market? One reason is that Mercedes, as well as BMW (BMWG.DE) and Volkswagen (VOWG.DE), have concentrated on optimizing diesel engines. BMW's diesel Mini and 1 Series rival the Prius for gas mileage and carbon dioxide emissions. Daimler says its BlueTec line of diesel SUVs, launched in the U.S. over the summer, account for 20% of Mercedes SUV sales in the country, a substantial percentage considering that diesel passenger cars make up only 4% of the total market. From an engineering point of view, diesel is the better technology because it offers comparable gas mileage to a hybrid—or even superior mileage in highway driving—with less weight and expense. But the success of Toyota's luxury Lexus hybrid models showed that gasoline-oriented U.S. buyers want hybrids. "Mercedes said: 'If you want to save the planet, buy a diesel,'" says Christoph Stürmer, Frankfurt-based auto analyst at Global Insight. "They were right in their own way but proven wrong by the market." The S-Class is not a so-called full hybrid—it can't run solely on battery power. Rather, the electric motor supplements the six-cylinder, 279-horsepower gasoline engine, improving fuel economy by providing a boost while accelerating. The car also recovers energy when braking, feeding it back into the battery. However, Mercedes has included some innovations that it hopes will set the S-Class hybrid apart from Japanese competitors. Better Battery The main innovation is the lithium-ion battery. Developed along with German components supplier Continental (CONG.DE), the battery weighs less and takes up less space than batteries used by competing hybrids. Slightly larger than a conventional auto battery, it fits under the hood and does not reduce the amount of space in the rest of the car. All told, the hybrid components including an electric motor add a modest 75 kg (165 lb.) to the total weight of the car. The battery employs the same chemical principle as those used in laptops and mobile phones, but Mercedes execs insist there is no danger of the overheating that has plagued consumer electronics makers. In the unlikely event that the battery gets too hot, says Oliver Vollrath, strategic director of the S-Class hybrid project, the system will shut down automatically. In any event, Vollrath says the car's power-management system precludes any such problems. "You can be sure that what happens in laptops won't be a problem in automobiles," he says. Besides being more efficient than competitors, the battery also helps Mercedes meet its long-term goal of offering better mileage without any sacrifices in performance and comfort. Following the S-Class launch, the company aims to add at least one hybrid model a year. "We have to ensure that people in six years will be able to drive a big car without sacrifices or a bad conscience," says marketing chief Maier. A Mercedes Hybrid at Last M
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | re: Mercedes-Benz S400 BlueHYBRID Slightly larger than a conventional auto battery, it fits under the hood and does not reduce the amount of space in the rest of the car. Take that, Lexus LS600h. ![]() You can apparently use this S-Class hybrid like a normal S-Class without having to sacrifice interior or trunk space. Lexus fanboy mode on: Oh, but the LS600h does 0-100 km/h in 5.2 seconds and competes with S600s and A8 W12s and gives you the same fuel economy and has a full leather interior which nobody else offers and is so reliable and never visits the shop and I get served the best coffee when I bring it in for scheduled servicing!!! ![]() Lexus fanboy mode off:
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | re: Mercedes-Benz S400 BlueHYBRID Mmm I've seen the boot of the LS600h and it embarrassingly small for a car of that size and won't bee too much of a use on a journey to an airport with luggage to carry. |
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![]() | re: Mercedes-Benz S400 BlueHYBRID Has anyone found lexus fanboy posts or comments on this car on other sites? cause its an absolutly hilarious to read ![]() ![]() |
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![]() | re: Mercedes-Benz S400 BlueHYBRID Man, the S-class looks good on that picture. Hasn't aged a bit.
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![]() ![]() | re: Mercedes-Benz S400 BlueHYBRID A $100k hybrid. $14k premium. Heck, I can go buy a Honda Fit for that, and just buy the regular S. What a waste. Get with it Mercedes. The article mentions the diesels in the mini, and the BMW. Why haven't the Germans made a US invasion with the diesels. These things would leave the prius dead. But no, they sit around twiddling their thumbs and building an S hybrid that gets 29 mpg. Big whoop. Diesel prices are dropping fast over here in the USA, and where is the announcement of a C-class diesel? crickets chirping. But they advertise the SL63 in the automags. What? |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | re: Mercedes-Benz S400 BlueHYBRID I think ppl must understand that a Hybrid from BMW or MB will be a version of their existing cars.. Not like toyota who made a completly new car just beacuse its a hybrid And at MB new tech starts at the top and trickles down.. So soon enough you will have this in E and C classes.. at a much lower price..
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | re: Mercedes-Benz S400 BlueHYBRID But it makes a lot of sense to make an hybrid a stand alone model. It prevents the kind of monetary comparisons that tennmb just made to the normal version and it also appeals to people's vanity to be seen driving a hybrid. I doubt the Prius would have been as a big success if Toyota continued making a similar looking normal version as they did with the first gen. |
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I wonder what happens once the celebrities start buying the S-Class Hybrid en masse. ![]()
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