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Re: BUGATTI Veyron tested by the press: three cars out of five broken down. - 11-06-2005, 01:30 PM

All I can say is I hope they don't get this wrong and ruin the BUGATTI brand name. People who don't know loads about cars wouldn't know all these reliability issues, so would still think the Veyron was a great car!

I think VAG have wasted a lot of money making the fastest production car ever. It was a bad mistake to make claims of how fast this car was before it was even known if they were possible, and a lot of money has been used to make those claims possible. There are only a handful of places where you could do 252mph and motor journalists are the only people that will take the car to those speeds! When I think of a supercar, I think of a car that is very fast, but also a track day car, kind of thing not some Rolls Royce which happens to have a very big engine!

I have never liked the Veyron, cars like the CGT and Zonda appeal to me much more, because the creaters of them thought of things such as weight, and made them amazingly fast cars on track, and on the road, not cars like the AMG powered cars, cars which are fast to 100, but not much else!
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Re: BUGATTI Veyron tested by the press: three cars out of five broken down. - 11-06-2005, 01:43 PM

I was reading in Autocar that around 90% of all Veyrons will be sold to museems and private collections of ultra rich people so don't expect to see many in the streets.
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Re: BUGATTI Veyron tested by the press: three cars out of five broken down. - 11-06-2005, 08:16 PM

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I see that Veyron hasn't got many fans here.

IMo no matter what happens Veyron will make history as the fastest and most outrageous automobile of all time. Starting from stand still 10 seconds after McLaren F1 when F1 already speeds at 200 km/h, Veyron will reach 320 km/h at the same time with F1!
It might very well be the fastest for a while, but it certainly is not the most outrageous - it is by no means the most unforgettable car ever.
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Re: BUGATTI Veyron tested by the press: three cars out of five broken down. - 11-06-2005, 10:49 PM

when u buy a 1000 hp car ,, 1st think about the reliability ...
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Re: BUGATTI Veyron tested by the press: three cars out of five broken down. - 11-16-2005, 09:31 PM

The French magazine Sport auto has been invited to test the - six years-old - "new" Veyron, for what should have been the presentation of the finalised car...

In spite of journalists being treated lavishly (private jet, first-class, helicopters), the result was a disaster.

When arriving on the Sicily test ground, the Sport-Auto journalist discovers that one car is stopped on the circuit for technical reasons. He then soon discovers that a second one is "out", hidden under a tent from which he is expelled? And finally the one that he is driving (at a moderate rate during the photo session) slows down with the engine switching to "degraded mode" for unknown reasons, and the gearbox stuck in third.

This makes three out of five cars out of service, and remember that the Press was not even allowed to measure the claimed top-speed.

In addition, the journalist has calculated that, even if you take the VW claimed weight (1888 kg), the car weighs over 2 tons with (60 litres! ) oil and fuel. This makes its 2,02 kg /HP ratio far behind the Pagani Zonda F Clubsport (1,92..) and almost indentical to the Enzo. This super heavy weight must be very cumbersome and awkward in curves and tight bends.

When you remember that, after several years of false promises, VW offcially ensured that the definitive cars would be delivered to the clients in October, you can't help but think that the hole marketing trick is now obvious. You can't decide, whatever the money you put in it, or the famous names you purchase, that you will build the "fastest supercar" just because it suits your commercial plans.

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Re: BUGATTI Veyron tested by the press: three cars out of five broken down. - 11-16-2005, 09:56 PM

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All I can say is I hope they don't get this wrong and ruin the BUGATTI brand name.
I don't consider it to be a "real" Bugatti anyway - the whole essence of the real Molsheim Bugattis was only found in the tiny, cultivated world in which Ettore Bugatti himself, lived - that world no longer exists, today's Bugattis are crass and soulless by comparison.

BTW, here's a website dedicated to the Veyron

- ONLY REGISTERED AND ACTIVATED USERS CAN SEE ALL LINKS - CLICK HERE TO REGISTER

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Re: BUGATTI Veyron tested by the press: three cars out of five broken down. - 11-17-2005, 08:31 AM

Sounds like one of the cars went into what we like to call "limp mode" where the ECU pulls the timing way back and makes little to no boost with the turbochargers. What caused this, we don't know. It could be a plethora of different things, but I'm thinking some parameter may have exceeded a certain threshold which will knock it into limp mode whether it's boost, temperatures, or what have you.
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Re: BUGATTI Veyron tested by the press: three cars out of five broken down. - 11-17-2005, 08:32 AM

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I think VAG have wasted a lot of money making the fastest production car ever. It was a bad mistake to make claims of how fast this car was before it was even known if they were possible, and a lot of money has been used to make those claims possible. There are only a handful of places where you could do 252mph and motor journalists are the only people that will take the car to those speeds!
Haha, you can try to blame Ferdinand Piech for this. I don't fault the guy for being a dreamer though. Automotive excellence isn't exactly achieved by focusing purely on the bottom line.
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Re: BUGATTI Veyron tested by the press: three cars out of five broken down. - 11-17-2005, 10:26 AM

Yup this Bugatti Veyron is the epitome of mixed feelings for me. I'm torn by it. A part of me really wants to like this car, really wants to say good things about how massive an achievement it is and how it has obliterated the benchmarks. Yes, when a Veyron works properly its high-speed exploits250260690 are awe-inspiring.

And yet, another part of me can't help but think that VW have committed yet another of those great automotive faux pas: build a supercar according to promises made by marketing and promotion as opposed to results achieved through research and development.

The Jaguar XJ220 is another prime exampe: initially promised as a NA V12 with 4 wheel drive - it ended up being a lowly twin-turbo V6. Oh, and it never achieved 220 mph despite its evocative moniker.

I want to get excited by the Veyron, but it'll never strike an emotional chord with me in the way that a McLaren F1, Zonda or CGT does.

And it still looks like a fat toad in a two-tone tuxedo. IMO, moderator or not.
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Re: BUGATTI Veyron tested by the press: three cars out of five broken down. - 11-17-2005, 04:29 PM

The XJ220 is still a pretty good car. It's performance (at least in a straight line) is still good even by today's standards. I believe it went something like 217 mph as it did have the official Guinness book record until the McLaren.
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