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Re: Alright alright... - 10-20-2005, 08:52 AM

130i for me anyday thank you. One of the best cars in its segment.



Why have a car in between the A class and C class? Just doesn't make sense to me.

P.S. Do you honestly believe that the B class will sell anywhere as well as the X3? I don't think so for some reason. I'm not the biggest X3 fan, but the X3 created a whole new market... so it's not all that bad for BMW really.
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Re: Alright alright... - 10-20-2005, 08:58 AM

Its just silly to compare the sale numbers of the X3 with the salenumbers of the B-Class. Compare it with the "MLK" (if its gonna named like that) in the future

And the only thing I like about that 130i is the engine thats all. It doesnt even look aggresive with the M-Package...
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Re: Alright alright... - 10-20-2005, 09:01 AM

LoL, apparently MB fans didnt see this coming. They just went lunatic when their beloved car got bashed
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Re: Alright alright... - 10-20-2005, 09:04 AM

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Its just silly to compare the sale numbers of the X3 with the salenumbers of the B-Class. Compare it with the "MLK" (if its gonna named like that) in the future

And the only thing I like about that 130i is the engine thats all. It doesnt even look aggresive with the M-Package...
Well you said that the X3 was a mistake (COmic is more accurate) while in fact it's selling like no other out there...

Just wondering if the Bclass sales are going to be as comical
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Re: Alright alright... - 10-20-2005, 09:06 AM

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LoL, apparently MB fans didnt see this coming. They just went lunatic when their beloved car got bashed
MB hasnt even a competitor with this "thing"
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Re: Alright alright... - 10-20-2005, 09:10 AM

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Well you said that the X3 was a mistake (COmic is more accurate) while in fact it's selling like no other out there...

Just wondering if the Bclass sales are going to be as comical
I dont know about the B-Class but if there will be a competitor against this from MB, Im sure of one thing: ...Its gonna look better.

BTW Ppl that buys an X3 are those cant afford themselfs an SUV like the X5 or ML with big engines and that are very expensive. Main reason...

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Re: Alright alright... - 10-20-2005, 09:18 AM

[quote=Imhotep Evil]
- M & SLK = boringly & blandishly overconservative, but very good with AMG.

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Geez, there's no pleasing some people! Here we have two examples of MB improving models exponentially over the previous generations. These cars are far from conservative. Both these cars have already achieved what their predecessors couldn't even dream about - up to date looks, high quality, prestige and a great drive. As far as I'm concerned, Mercedes is on the path to recovery.

As for the comment about over-Americanisation of MB design and influence, well, all I can say is as a car maker you'd be stupid if you didn't target your cars with specific appeal for Americans. Unfortunately, multinational companies can't afford not to tailor their products towards one of the biggest consumer markets in the world. It's the same with almost any other global product.

130i? It may be a great drive, but its looks are controversial, the practicality of which is expected by small car buyers is non-existent, and its damned expensive!
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Re: Alright alright... - 10-20-2005, 09:25 AM

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- M & SLK = boringly & blandishly overconservative, but very good with AMG.

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Geez, there's no pleasing some people! Here we have two examples of MB improving models exponentially over the previous generations. These cars are far from conservative. Both these cars have already achieved what their predecessors couldn't even dream about - up to date looks, high quality, prestige and a great drive. As far as I'm concerned, Mercedes is on the path to recovery.

As for the comment about over-Americanisation of MB design and influence, well, all I can say is as a car maker you'd be stupid if you didn't target your cars with specific appeal for Americans. Unfortunately, multinational companies can't afford not to tailor their products towards one of the biggest consumer markets in the world. It's the same with almost any other global product.

130i? It may be a great drive, but its looks are controversial, the practicality of which is expected by small car buyers is non-existent, and its damned expensive!
B200 Turbo is not exactly cheap either... 28,000 euro vs 32,000 euroe for the 130i. Keep in my though that the B class has 193hp vs 265 for the bimmer.

The fact is, I'm not even sure if these 2 cars compete with each other... but the price for a "compact" germany luxury vehicle, the price will be considerable regardless.
Edit. By the way, the new Golf R32 costs as much as a 130i...

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Re: Alright alright... - 10-20-2005, 09:32 AM

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B200 Turbo is not exactly cheap either... 28,000 euro vs 32,000 euroe for the 130i. Keep in my though that the B class has 193hp vs 255 for the bimmer.

The fact is, I'm not even sure if these 2 cars compete with each other... but the price for a "compact" germany luxury vehicle, the price will be considerable regardless.
Edit. By the way, the new Golf R32 costs as much as a 130i...
Don't get me started on the B-class or the R32. argh.

I'm positive that the 1 and the B are in completely different segments, and I'm sure the 1 series would beat the B hands down in a handling comparison. For now, I just take the B class to be an enlarged A - something for the Renault Scenic crowd to aspire to.
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Re: Alright alright... - 10-20-2005, 09:34 AM

32000€ isnt expensive for a BMW with 3.0L engine IMO...
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