Just_me

so what? it doesnt make 7er a bad car cause the others scored better. Or do you mean S-class and A8 are really bad cars so it makes the 7er really really awful?

GTA8.5

Well yes and yes to both questions! If your doing better your just better.
Bottom line.

If you were giving a test you wouldn`t give credit to the person
who scored 75 compared to the ones who scored 98 out of 100 would you? Give credit where redit is due!

Just_me

I suggest you buy yourself a Lexus, beating all three germans. Hurray For Lexus, Audi, bmw, Mb are just trash. Use your money wisely choose Lexus

GTA8.5

You never cease to amaze me!
If I were to choose the best of the excutive German cars Lexus wouldn`t qualify. I would choose the one who passed a good quality test though.

Just_me

you do so but I choose 7er and A8 over S-class They both have good quality, one better than the other but it doenst make the third one trashy car.

The Artist

no one of these cars have bad quality.. but the 7er is behind..and that is normal its the oldest one in the group..

Osnabrueck

You guys just got me thinking about reliability vs satisfaction when it comes to German cars and Japanese cars.

(Again - let's not get reliability mixed up with "quality." In my book, they're mutually independent terms. VW, for instance, makes very high quality cars with below-average reliability. Buick, on the oppisite end, makes average quality cars with good reliability.)

I spent most of yesterday afternoon at a Toyota dealership, kicking the tires and testing cars with a friend. Although I like what Toyota does, and their cars have an unflappable track record for reliability, I just couldn't "get into" any of their vechicles. Much as they're excellent specimens of what to do with entry-level and midrange, I just didn't feel any magic coming from these things.

It's silly, but this is the kind of stuff you just can't wrangle out of a Consumer Reports magazine. Even though the upcoming LS460 is destined to be airtight and fabulous, there's no way the thing delivers style or satisfaction the way any of the big German boats can.

Sure, the 7er, A8 and S-Klasse are prone to electrical defects, which is irritating when your time is money. On the other hand, new owners of these cars aren't on the hook for these repairs. Most new Luxo-boat buyers won't hang on to the things for any extended period of time, so shine it... right?

From what I've seen of the new LS, Lexus has certainly stepped up their game. It looks contemporary, and boasts enough outrageous tech to rival any of the Germans. What the car lacks is the sense of special occasion. The interior makes this clear, with lines and switchgear that say "This is a nice car... carry on."

GTA8.5

Great and valuable post Osna.




Yep the 7er is behind the S-Class even in mechanical dependibility, and this is the W220 S-Class. The W221 should get even better scores.

Just_me

yes if MB sorted out the quality problems they been having lately. Apprently there already been recalls on ML

http://germancarzone.com/showthread.php?t=3573

GTA8.5

The ML is not a good contribution to this thread.