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Old 07-21-2007, 04:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The 4-Wheel Steering Concept, what happened!

I`d like to know what happened to this concept and whi car companies arn`t using this technology today. Imagine how the S-Class, Audi A8 and BMW 7er would benifit from this technology seeing thay more wheelbase to deal with.

If not those models why not AMG, M or the RS models. Thay would sweep the cones much faster than thay do!!

Is it cost? weight? why did the automakers abandon this idea!
It was under developement in the 90s than poof!! gone...


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Old 07-21-2007, 11:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: The 4-Wheel Steering Concept, what happened!

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I`d like to know what happened to this concept and whi car companies arn`t using this technology today. Imagine how the S-Class, Audi A8 and BMW 7er would benifit from this technology seeing thay more wheelbase to deal with.

If not those models why not AMG, M or the RS models. Thay would sweep the cones much faster than thay do!!

Is it cost? weight? why did the automakers abandon this idea!
It was under developement in the 90s than poof!! gone...


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The main reasons why 4 wheel steering is gone is because when the rear wheels begin to steer, it feels like the backend is suddenly letting go, and most driver does not like this sensation at all and try to correct the car even though the rear end is not losing grip at all. Modern ESP and various cornering assist programs are effective enough to improve a car's handling and this makes the 4 wheel steering idea redundant.
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Re: The 4-Wheel Steering Concept, what happened!

The 1987 Honda Prelude was the first car to offer 4WS. Infiniti still builds models with 4WS (which is something I didn't know before)

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Many modern vehicles offer a form of "passive" four-wheel steering, where the - ONLY REGISTERED AND ACTIVATED USERS CAN SEE ALL LINKS - CLICK HERE TO REGISTER by which the rear - ONLY REGISTERED AND ACTIVATED USERS CAN SEE ALL LINKS - CLICK HERE TO REGISTER attaches to the automobile are designed to compress in a precise direction under the forces of steering, thus slightly altering the rear suspension geometry in such a manner as to enhance stability.

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Re: The 4-Wheel Steering Concept, what happened!

One thing I'll always remember is one of GM's adverts about a pickup they had with 4-Wheel steering. They had a quote something along the lines of "a turning circle better than a Lamborghini".
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Old 07-23-2007, 10:46 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: The 4-Wheel Steering Concept, what happened!

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The 1987 Honda Prelude was the first car to offer 4WS. Infiniti still builds models with 4WS (which is something I didn't know before)

This from Wikipedia:
Previously, - ONLY REGISTERED AND ACTIVATED USERS CAN SEE ALL LINKS - CLICK HERE TO REGISTER had four-wheel steering as an option in their - ONLY REGISTERED AND ACTIVATED USERS CAN SEE ALL LINKS - CLICK HERE TO REGISTER- - ONLY REGISTERED AND ACTIVATED USERS CAN SEE ALL LINKS - CLICK HERE TO REGISTER - ONLY REGISTERED AND ACTIVATED USERS CAN SEE ALL LINKS - CLICK HERE TO REGISTER, and - ONLY REGISTERED AND ACTIVATED USERS CAN SEE ALL LINKS - CLICK HERE TO REGISTER also offered four-wheel steering on the - ONLY REGISTERED AND ACTIVATED USERS CAN SEE ALL LINKS - CLICK HERE TO REGISTER and - ONLY REGISTERED AND ACTIVATED USERS CAN SEE ALL LINKS - CLICK HERE TO REGISTER in - ONLY REGISTERED AND ACTIVATED USERS CAN SEE ALL LINKS - CLICK HERE TO REGISTER. Neither system was very popular, in that whatever improvement they brought to these already excellent-handling vehicles was offset by an unavoidable decrease in sensitivity caused by the increased weight and complexity.
Many modern vehicles offer a form of "passive" four-wheel steering, where the - ONLY REGISTERED AND ACTIVATED USERS CAN SEE ALL LINKS - CLICK HERE TO REGISTER by which the rear - ONLY REGISTERED AND ACTIVATED USERS CAN SEE ALL LINKS - CLICK HERE TO REGISTER attaches to the automobile are designed to compress in a precise direction under the forces of steering, thus slightly altering the rear suspension geometry in such a manner as to enhance stability.

Very interesting, I believe it was Volvo who started the passive 4-wheel steering with the 1994 850 GLT. It worked pretty well.
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