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Re: Phantom Roadtest - 01-23-2006, 03:26 PM

It's not enough to tell that Maybach have tree models, because in that case Rolls will have 2.
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Re: Phantom Roadtest - 01-23-2006, 03:32 PM

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They said they wanted to sell 1000 vehicles a year, just like Rolls. They have 2 models to do so, recently 3 but now Rolls also kinda has 2 with the long version.
Still they fail with just a little more than 300, against 800 Rolls. How is that relative?
*sigh* That is so relative. Of course RR is doing better since they have 800/1000 and on the other hand Maybach has 300/1000. You can directly compare these figures. But if Maybach's ratio were 300/320, that would be a whole another story.

I didn't have no frekin' idea how much they are selling, what are RR's sales expectations or whatnot when I made my comment. The idea was to show how you can't say that RR is better than Maybach since they sell 2,6 times more cars. Are McDonald's burgers better than Wendy's since they sell more?
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Re: Phantom Roadtest - 01-23-2006, 03:36 PM

sure you cant say it is better butat the moment the rolls is more of what the upper crust want as of a product right now.
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Re: Phantom Roadtest - 01-23-2006, 03:41 PM

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sure you cant say it is better butat the moment the rolls is more of what the upper crust want as of a product right now.
You're right.

I did a little background surveillance on this and found this on the net: Why So Few Maybach Sales? Tough, I have to disagree with this article, that in my opinion, Maybach does not look like Lincoln Town Car and Bentley is not beatiful.
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Re: Phantom Roadtest - 01-24-2006, 02:58 AM

I agree with that article to a degree. Hopefully the 57S will do much better. If not all may be lost with Maybach. It should have just been the Maybach by Mercedes anyway, not a seperate division. Then the tiny volumes would have been seen as a success.

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Re: Phantom Roadtest - 01-24-2006, 05:21 AM

If we compare the sales figures of the old Phantom V and VI and the Mercedes 600 (W100) - we can see that these low volumes really should not be so surprising.

Rolls-Royce Phantom V (1959-1968) - they built 516 cars over it's 9 year production life.

Rolls-Royce Phantom VI (1968-1991) in 23 years only 374 cars were built.

Mercedes-Benz 600 (1963-1981) in 18 years 2677 were built.

When you look at these figures, the current Phantom and Maybach sales don't look so bad.

It must be noted that the Rolls-Royce Phantom VI was considerably more expensive than the current Phantom - and Rolls-Royce had several other models on offer - as did Mercedes of course - including the S class.
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Re: Phantom Roadtest - 01-24-2006, 07:54 AM

Without having read the article, the only reason the Maybach is not selling is that it is perceived by a large group of the prospective owners as an S-class plus. The people who buy these cars do not want to look like regional managers (like they would in hoi-polloi S-class), they want to be seen in something much more exclusive - a Rolls is perfect as it resembles nothing else on the market, unlike the Maybach (especially from the front and rear).

The draw of the Maybach was the luxury (obviously) and the tech. The new s-class takes away the tech advantage and according to many people who have used both cras the rolls does the whole exclusive, luxury thing better (the power in reserve gauge is a perfect example - like the opposite of the HP counter in the Veyron).

Also brand awareness comes into it - Rolls needs no introduction, whereas you say Maybach to your average person and they wil probably reply with 'Huh?'. Thats not to say that I think the maybach is a bad car - in many respects it is brilliant, but MB slighly messed up the execution a little bit IMO.
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Re: Phantom Roadtest - 01-24-2006, 08:23 AM

I personally don't think the Maybach brand has an image problem - most potential Maybach buyers couldn't care less if the "great unwashed" masses don't know what a Maybach is - I doubt your average billionaire would buy a Maybach to impress the guys at the local KFC drive-thru - afterall a Maybach is still just a car - if people like this want to impress, they do it with a Bombardier jet or Lürssen mega-yacht

The real problem with the Maybach is that it just insn't very exciting - it's very impressive - it's interior is very comfortable but lacks a true sense of style - no problems with the quality - it's first class. I just hope the next generation Maybachs are more beautiful.
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Re: Phantom Roadtest - 01-24-2006, 10:40 PM

It can’t get more 21st century luxury than the Maybach. It seem as though the Phantom is the way to show off these days while the Maybach chauffeurs businessmen and professionals from what I see on the streets of New York.
Now I don’t really hate the Phantom. I like the front, but I’ve never been a big fan of the back and the interior.

So give me the Maybach over the Phantom any day. At least it’s a true German car

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Re: Phantom Roadtest - 01-24-2006, 10:54 PM

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It can’t get more 21st century luxury than the Maybach. It seem as though the Phantom is the way to show off these days while the Maybach chauffeurs businessmen and professionals from what I see on the streets of New York.
Now I don’t really hate the Phantom. I like the front, but I’ve never been a big fan of the back and the interior.

So give me the Maybach over the Phantom any day. At least it’s a true German car

Check out these videos. If this isn’t luxury to the fullest, I don’t know what is.

- ONLY REGISTERED AND ACTIVATED USERS CAN SEE ALL LINKS - CLICK HERE TO REGISTER

- ONLY REGISTERED AND ACTIVATED USERS CAN SEE ALL LINKS - CLICK HERE TO REGISTER

Jay Leno & the Maybach:
- ONLY REGISTERED AND ACTIVATED USERS CAN SEE ALL LINKS - CLICK HERE TO REGISTER

First Maybach arrives in New York. Ugh - I'm still upset till this day I didn't get to see this. I wish I knew of this event, I would have gone to see it (If I knew what a Maybach was then ):
- ONLY REGISTERED AND ACTIVATED USERS CAN SEE ALL LINKS - CLICK HERE TO REGISTER (41MB)

This is a nice one:
- ONLY REGISTERED AND ACTIVATED USERS CAN SEE ALL LINKS - CLICK HERE TO REGISTER
The Phantom is a way to show off? Isn't that what a car that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars do? Think about it... every car in that range is a car that you can tell is expensive. Yea you can tell that the Maybach is expensive, but honestly, I personally think it's pretty underwhelming when it's comes to a super-luxurious sedan
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