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Monster · 11-29-2008, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Gullwing

That system is gone, you probably wont find any car with that system operating anymore.
The system would deactivate the valves for one bank. When this happend the cylinders would still be running up and down. The change in pressure would cause oil to be sucked into the cylinders and coat the spark plugs. The spark plugs would not fire after that. Big problems, check engine light, new plugs, wire boots, ignition rail... $$$$

Not sure how the Dodge system works.

Interesting info.

Honda has something similar as well with their current V6 engine.

Tarek · 11-29-2008, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Gullwing

What did you do in the 80s????

Lol

I was so young back then,knows nothing yet

cawimmer430 · 11-29-2008, 09:20 AM

I'm going to miss that silky-smooth V12.

But the replacement, a twin-turbo V8, sounds interesting, but it still is not a V12 and will never be. A V12 is all about status. You make more of an impact telling people that you drive a V12-powered car.

cawimmer430 · 11-29-2008, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Tarek

Lol

I was so young back then,knows nothing yet

What Gullwing wants to say is that the first post-war Mercedes passenger car V12 debuted in the W140 S-Class in 1990. Prior to that the only V12-engine Mercedes ever produced was the DB-601 - 605 aircraft engine found in planes like the Messerschmitt BF-109 / 110 and Heinkel He-111 during World War II.

Tarek · 11-29-2008, 09:44 AM

^I know but V12s just got so associated with MB that one can't accept the brand without it

cawimmer430 · 11-29-2008, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Tarek

^I know but V12s just got so associated with MB that one can't accept the brand without it

Especially if Lexus comes out with one.

tennmb · 11-29-2008, 09:59 AM

I've got an owner right now with one of those "awesome" V12 in the shop with a $4,500 repair, and he just had a $3,000 repair. And now his trade value on his 01 S600 with 75k miles is $9,000. Bye bye V12 and good ridance. So his repairs barely equate to the value of the car.

Five years down the road the V12s are a liability and dealers hate trading for them.

SDNR · 11-29-2008, 10:07 AM

Aha -- remember this thread

http://www.germancarzone.com/pit-gen...t=V12+mercedes (Future of the MB & BMW V12 engines)

Well I'm not very surprised ......everything is changing very fast right now.

BMW Power · 11-29-2008, 10:19 AM

rough times.....and this is only the beginning. I think we should expect much more bad news in the coming months.

bmwownage · 11-29-2008, 10:26 AM

Yes the Honda Accord V6 can shut cylinders down when you don't "need" them, basically most of the time, unless full throttle, the dash will show you that it is running in ECO mode, meaning some cylinders are shut down. I don't know how effective that is in terms of economy, but that car feels sluggish (power-wise), not sure whether it's because of the system.

But what's wrong with not having a V12? technology moves on and if 8cylinders can do the job of 12, why not?

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