I confess that I have never ever tried a car with SMG, but I'd love for the opportunity... Actually there's an E46 M3 sitting at a dealer nearby. Maybe...

I have read numerous threads on Maserati boards about Cambiocorsa and yes, many people do say SMG is smoother... Well one thing we both agree on, is that driving clutchless manual cars require lots of skill.

Yupp Yupp. E46, wouldn't bother visiting a dealer for an E36 M3 test drive.
SMG was pretty damn fast and I had no idea that it automatically shifts down to the first gear at stand still. Very convenient and as you might suspect DSG does it as well. I'm glad BMW are switching over to DSG, it will be so much greater for their cars. Much smoother shifts and other benefits.

Once you drive DSG you never go back.

Many M5 E60 owners on M5board.com says SMG3 is smoother than SMG2. Like I said earlier, I have never tried the SMG2 so I can't say anything about it.

I also believe SMG is something you need to get used to (many owners claim so), I doubt a 15 minutes testdrive is enough for someone to give a fair opinion regarding SMG and determine if its good or bad. There are somethings that need a learning time, I doubt I will be able to play a rock song with my guitar in just 5 minutes

so you prefer DSG over Manual?

Hmmm difficult question. DSG was awesome and it really didn't take me any longer than a few minutes to love it. Then again one has to bare in mind that I was driving an incredible car which does add a whole lot to the experience. I have yet to experience a manual GTI to find out if it's as great to drive but if I was to buy a high performance oriented car with DSG as an option I doubt that I would be able to resist ticking the box beside the name DSG in the option list.

As for SMG I'm pretty sure you get used to it after a while, but should you have to? Naah. Don't get me wrong, SMG is faster than manual and it's not like I think SMG sucks but I'm just saying that DSG has made it obsolete. The same way USB memory sticks have made diskettes obsolete. Try DSG and you'll pretty much feel the same way as I do.

What about Active suspension !!!

OK now to review.


I know it will be harsh but:

- unless you put a BMW on a twisty bumpy negative camer road and/or track you simply cannot say you drove, not to mention properly tested, a BMW.



On DSG SMG issue there are many misconceptions/mistakes:

- the SMG II on the M3 is old an obsolete both compared to the SMG III and DSG.

- the DSG is ONLY effective on upshifts but NOT on downshifts, were is just as slow as a manual = way way slower than a SMG III.

- for those who prefer racy F1 sensations, obviously not yourself, SMG is the way to go, and efectivelly sequentials, not the old SMG II, are faster than the dual clutches
* F1 and Zeroshift are seamingless both on upshift and downshift wereas the dual are not (and as I mentioned duals are only fast on upshifts but are just as slow on downshifts as manuals)
* also the dual clutch on the Veyron, build by Ricardo not BorgWarner, is slower than both the SMG II and SMG III .
* so, on ushifts (only) we have:
zeroshift/F1 > BorgWarner DSG > SMG III > SMG III > Ferrari F1 latest > Ricardo/Veyron DSG
* on downshifts:
all sequentials > duals = manuals
* at best the dual clutch is only fast(er) on upshifts vs. SMGs, but esentially the SMG is a step forward in efficiency since:
a) it can both upshift and downshift fast(er) vs. a dual clutch;
b) the dual clutch is a lot older, as in 60 years older, than the sequential and thus was designed to be only half effective (upshifts only)

- BMW is not switching to DSG, it's using a new gearbox that esentially combines both SMG and DSG in one.

Thanks for the info IE... As much as SMG is a faster-shifter than DSG, I must confess that I would still go with DSG. It's simply smoother and for the road it's the best compromise. SMG is more suited for the track, you can't deny that.

BTW, I went for a "refresher" test drive with my dad and sis for the GTI today... God damn, DSG is just amazing.

Care to explain how the new gear box work?

From the info I have so far from Eni and Co. it will be dual-clutch until in S6 mode when it is disengaged and it enages/switches to the F1 style sequential.

Where were you when we discussed this ?!

So it's a dual + sequential in one, from the info we have so far.