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Old 09-24-2009, 11:36 AM   #21
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But let them run a test where the author of the article needs to go cross country with a bunch of luggage and passengers. Then make the author switch to the rear seating area during that "test". Throw in some rough roads and maybe the Panamera's winning streak may come to an end. People don't buy S63s to go run around a race track....and honestly...neither will the overwhelming majority of people buying a Panamera. The "all in one" concept is great...but the people who can afford these cars are going to have their daily driver (S63) and their "toys". The Panamera may be as fast as the "toys" but I can assure you that the toys will be much better looking....

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Well said. I completely agree.

I also seriously doubt that the majority of Panamera owners will take their car unto a track. Only a small percentage of Panamera buyers will most likely be of the enthusiast caliber that takes their car unto a racetrack for fun or competitive driving. The majority of potential customers see more appeal in the brand name (badge), perhaps the design, performance (including handling) but they're not the kind that takes their cars unto a racetrack.
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Panamera is on a winning strike, crushing every opponent it goes up against.
Well I hope your friends at M are thinking hard about their next M5 then. If the Panamera beats that then they should be able to legally SNATCH that ULTIMATE DRIVING MACHINE title right out of BMW's hands. And I will be right there to take a picture.


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Oh my god! I like so expected the S63 AMG to win!
I did too! :

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But let them run a test where the author of the article needs to go cross country with a bunch of luggage and passengers. Then make the author switch to the rear seating area during that "test". Throw in some rough roads and maybe the Panamera's winning streak may come to an end. People don't buy S63s to go run around a race track....and honestly...neither will the overwhelming majority of people buying a Panamera. The "all in one" concept is great...but the people who can afford these cars are going to have their daily driver (S63) and their "toys". The Panamera may be as fast as the "toys" but I can assure you that the toys will be much better looking....

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Yep, they should even out that weight issue. Put 2 500 pound woman in the back seat of the Porsche then see what the 0-60 times look like.

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Is the panamera a 5 series competitor or a 7 series one ?
I thought it was a 7 series competitor, but it looks as though there comparing it with anything that moves.

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While I agree that Panamera isnt a beauty I think the interior is superb. I sat inside a Panamera last weekend and the interior is a very nice place to be in. It felt exclusive, luxury and you got this cosy feeling. The interior is a winner.
You should trade in your 1 series and get one then. I am sure you will love it.
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But let them run a test where the author of the article needs to go cross country with a bunch of luggage and passengers. Then make the author switch to the rear seating area during that "test". Throw in some rough roads and maybe the Panamera's winning streak may come to an end. People don't buy S63s to go run around a race track....and honestly...neither will the overwhelming majority of people buying a Panamera. The "all in one" concept is great...but the people who can afford these cars are going to have their daily driver (S63) and their "toys". The Panamera may be as fast as the "toys" but I can assure you that the toys will be much better looking....

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Dear Tom, You dont have to speak to me like I wrote this article
I've read the complete article and the writer do say S63 is better suited for Autobahn but the Panamera is no slush either.

There are many carmags that compare cars on a track even though they will never be driven there by the owners. But it doenst matter, its always fun to see how a car behave on a track, even if its not a track car.
Dont take away the victories for the Panamera, the car even manage to beat the cars you say are true competitior to the Panamera. I dont get it why people gets so mad because the cars were tested on a track, you have to see the fun of it.
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You should trade in your 1 series and get one then. I am sure you will love it.
LoL yeah sure. I buy a Panamera if you buy a BMW 335i E90
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^I was being sarcastic!^
Lol...Yeah I knew that.

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LoL yeah sure. I buy a Panamera if you buy a BMW 335i E90
No problem, I can do that. Matter of fact I will buy you both the Panamera and the 335i.

Then again I will need something in return.

A fully loaded S65 AMG, which is priced at $203,570 (I actually took time to build it on MBUSA lol). Then I need you to post a Thread stating that Mercedes-Benz is the best car company on the planet and is superior to BMW in everyway!
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Impressive to me that 5 year old M5 still can be as fast as a 2009 turbocharged Panamera up to 200 km/h.

in this test 0-200 km/h for Panamera Turbo is 14.1s
M5 in their latest comparison test againt E63, RS6 and B5S took 13.8s to 200km/h.

In the New W212 E63 AMG short test they achieved a 0-200km/h time of 14.4s
In their latest comparison test they achieved a 0-200km/h time of 14.2s with the old W211 E63.
This shows that W212 is almost as fast as a W211 and is not an improvement in straight line acceleration.
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This shows that W212 is almost as fast as a W211 and is not an improvement in straight line acceleration.
I think the focus of the new W212 was sportier and more responsive handling and driving dynamics and they've obviously succeeded in that. Those few milliseconds the W212 E63 AMG is slower than the W211 E63 AMG are irrelevant to most people. Sometimes improvement doesn't always mean achieving quicker and quicker speeds.
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but the people who can afford these cars are going to have their daily driver (S63) and their "toys". The Panamera may be as fast as the "toys" but I can assure you that the toys will be much better looking....

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That is every man's dream indeed, owning two car. One for hauling passengers across the country and the other one for full filling your dream childhood racing dreams. There is no other way to be fully content in life but if only life was that easy.

Not everyone can afford to own both a 911 CS and a S500, and neither does everyone have the time to fully take advantage of the ownership of two cars. Plus, some have other priorities in life such as children or they simply feel like investing some of their money elsewhere than into an additional depreciating asset such as a luxury car. The Panamera does the impossible of providing a near perfect balance between two extremes. BMW's M5 was the clear bench mark as it is the prime choice for 911 owners downgrading from a coupe to a saloon. Add bonus is off course the sheer size of the car which is in neck and neck with the S-Class. The myth that big cars are slushy as whales is officially dead. Sure the exterior design is subject to taste but technically the Panamera is a marvel that enable people to enjoy a sport experience in a cabin that is not cramped to the extent that you feel tired after stepping out of the car.
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I think the focus of the new W212 was sportier and more responsive handling and driving dynamics and they've obviously succeeded in that. Those few milliseconds the W212 E63 AMG is slower than the W211 E63 AMG are irrelevant to most people. Sometimes improvement doesn't always mean achieving quicker and quicker speeds.
Yes, i completely agree with you but considering the fact that The new one has 11 hp more it shouldn't be slower,it should be at least as fast as the old one.I think the engine they put into W212 E63 is the same engine of SL63 AMG because they both have 525 hp and 630nm.MB should go back to Kompressor and Turbos and BMW should continue with high revving engines.I am angry with both of them about changing their policies!

I think now AUDI is the most balanced of them all.It is sportier than Mercedes and more comfortable than BMW and in terms of quality and interior is better than both BMW and MB.It is well priced also.I really appreciate AUDI.For example S5 is such a nice all rounder together with RS4 which is good for all seasons.
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