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Originally Posted by cawimmer430  The more I read about the Hyundai Genesis the more I am liking it. Call it what you want but I feel that it is a more complete car than say the Lexus GS will ever be. I've also warmed up to the design. Still, I would never buy one but if someone gave me one I wouldn't object. Looks like a great car. Don't let the Hyundai badge fool you - they've impressed me more recently than Toyota.
The Genesis is great value, comes with a relatively powerful engine and offers good interior space and also fresh and classical styling. In comparison Lexus seems to think the GS will sell based on reliability and the Lexus badge alone. Wrong. In the GS you have a cramped interior, value-for-money ain't the best anymore (still good though compared to the Europeans) and poor payload capacity compared to the competition.
You can take a long trip with an E-Class, A6, 5er, XF and even a Genesis but I'd be wary of a GS since the payload capacity is pretty low, especially on the hybrid model. I can't tell you enough how important payload capacity is in my experience. On those family trips we took in our 2002 Mercedes E320 you guys should have seen the stuff we packed into the 540 liter trunk. I had my stuff, my sister had hers and my parents had their belongings. Weight, weight and more weight - and the car coped perfectly fine as it has a very large payload capacity. Try doing that in a Lexus GS (or other Lexus sedans for that matter). I guess I am saying that the GS is not very family-friendly. The GS doesn't strike me as a car in which you take your family on a long-distance trip. It's so...incomplete. The Genesis on the other hand seems like a very nice blend of MB E-Class / Lexus GS - combining the best features and characteristics from those cars at a good price.
Still, my favorite is still the E-Class here. Love it. 
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Mmmh, can't agree with you here.
Payload capacity is a mainly theoretical value. The car won't be uncomfortable or break down if the payload capacity is crossed.
Cramped it may be, at the back, this GS. But, compared to a car which doesn't even dare to display its logo at the front...
The front is a blatant MB rip-off and the side shamelessly copy a Beemer 5er, whereas the interior belongs to an Infinity. At least the GS tries to have its own identity.
The lexus ain't perfect: payload capacity is effectively a problem, the ergonomics are plain awful, cramped rear. But it's also supremy silent, very comfortable, very well finished (the best finish of any Lexus), very well engineered.
The Hyndai has an enormous hollow feeling to it. It feels totally fake, like a nice body with nothing under it. No premium feeling at all. Surely a nice car, but imo a long way to go tocatch Lexus. And I don't even speak of the Germans here.
I never drove it, never sat in it. Saw one however. Leaves me cold. It still has Hyundai written all over it, doesn't manage to appear really premium.
No way I'd take it over any of the germans, or over the Jag.
i've never seen the infiniti. Looks worse than the Hyundai, especially the butt-ugly rear. But at least, it's an infiniti and not a MB/BMW/whatever wannabe.
The Genesis comes last in my book.
