Go Back   German Car Zone > Website Forums > Internal Combustion
Home Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Car and Driver: Corvette ZR1 vs. SL65 AMG Black Series, Murciélago LP640, Viper SRT10

This is a discussion on Car and Driver: Corvette ZR1 vs. SL65 AMG Black Series, Murciélago LP640, Viper SRT10 within the Internal Combustion forums, part of the Website Forums category; Unnatural selection: With 600 horsepower (and then some), these supercars are at the pinnacle of the automotive food chain. Just ...

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 01-23-2009, 11:05 PM   #1
Merc1   Merc1 is offline
Contributor
 
Merc1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Aurora IL USA
Garage: 2003 Mercedes-Benz CLK430 Cabriolet
Posts: 15,642
Thanks: 5,226
Thanked 9,531 Times in 4,030 Posts
Merc1 has a reputation beyond reputeMerc1 has a reputation beyond reputeMerc1 has a reputation beyond reputeMerc1 has a reputation beyond reputeMerc1 has a reputation beyond reputeMerc1 has a reputation beyond reputeMerc1 has a reputation beyond reputeMerc1 has a reputation beyond reputeMerc1 has a reputation beyond reputeMerc1 has a reputation beyond reputeMerc1 has a reputation beyond repute
Car and Driver: Corvette ZR1 vs. SL65 AMG Black Series, Murciélago LP640, Viper SRT10



























Unnatural selection: With 600 horsepower (and then some), these supercars are at the pinnacle of the automotive food chain. Just like dinosaurs, they may be doomed.


It’s easy to diss old-fashioned people as dinosaurs, with their plodding resistance to change, but think about this: Those lumbering, small-brained behemoths ruled the earth for 165 million years, which is a lot longer than Homo sapiens have been in charge of messing up the planet.

Although Diplodocus had similar brain power to bankers who thought asset-backed securities were a sure thing, you’ve still got to be impressed with this 90-foot-long, 20-ton beast that perambulated the third planet from the sun all those years ago.

Like dinosaurs, the 600-horsepower beasts gathered here could soon become extinct, but they are also highly impressive. Machines that weigh as much as two tons and sport massive 12-cylinder engines aren’t exactly in tune with the zeitgeist, which is increasingly angst-ridden over global warming, dependence on foreign oil, and the greening of energy. Performance cars may soon become more fuel efficient—lighter and more compact, with smaller engines. No doubt they’ll be great to drive, but they won’t be as dramatic as a Dodge Viper or a Lamborghini Murciélago in full flight.

The Viper is pretty familiar now. The current-generation roadster went on sale in 2003, with the coupe following as a 2006 model. In 2008, it got a 600-hp, 8.4-liter V-10 with trick variable valve timing to replace the 510-hp, 8.3-liter unit. Dodge also revised the suspension and fitted a GKN torque-sensing differential, which made the car more stable and forgiving.

The Murciélago has been around for a while, too, debuting in 2001. Tracing its lineage back to the Countach of 1974, the car was revised in 2007 as the LP640, featuring a 6.5-liter V-12 making 632 horsepower, an increase of 60 over the previous 6.2-liter engine’s output. Lamborghini also added carbon-ceramic brakes, tidied up the interior, and tweaked the suspension.

The Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 went on sale at the end of 2008 as a 2009 model. It is the fastest and most expensive Corvette ever, makes extensive use of carbon-fiber components, has carbon-ceramic brakes, and is motivated by the most powerful small-block Chevy ever—a supercharged 6.2-liter, LS9 V-8 engine that produces 638 horsepower.

The ZR1 isn’t the most powerful car of this pack, though. That distinction goes to the 2010 Mercedes-Benz SL65 AMG Black Series. This is a massively reworked SL65 with carbon-fiber-reinforced plastic bodywork for the front fenders, the hood, the trunk, and the fixed coupe roof (which replaces the SL’s usual folding hardtop). The 6.0-liter, twin-turbo V-12 is the same as the SL65’s except that larger turbochargers, a modified intake, and redesigned mufflers boost power from 604 horses to a bodacious 661. Drivetrain components have been beefed up, along with the braking system, which sports 15.4-inch front rotors and 14.2-inch discs at the back. An adjustable coil-over suspension replaces the coil springs and the automatic, hydraulic self-leveling springs on the other SL variants. Beautiful, forged aluminum wheels carry 265/35R-19 Dunlop tires up front, with 325/30R-20s in back.

At the end of our time with the four cars, when we were filling their tanks with premium—ironic, so-called dinosaurs being fueled by the remains of the real thing—a youngish guy came bounding over, eyes bulging in disbelief. He exclaimed in a whispery voice: “I feel like I’m surrounded by women—they’re all so beautiful.” Indeed. Enthusiasts will look back at the first decade of the 21st century as a golden age. We may never see cars like this again.


First: Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
Second: Lamborghini Murciélago LP640
Third: Mercedes-Benz SL65 AMG Black Series
Fourth: Dodge Viper SRT10



Full Article: Car and Driver: Corvette ZR1 vs. SL65 AMG Black Series, Murciélago LP640, Viper SRT10


M
__________________
Merc1 Allstars: SLS, SL63, S65, SLK55, CL63, SL65 BS, E63, R8 5.2, S5, LP560, LP670, M3, Mulsne, BK, DBS, GT500, Gran S, 911, X6M, Z4, Veyron GS, XFR, XKR, ZR1, CC, GTI, CTSV, 458, 599.
Merc1 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook!Google Bookmark this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Tweet This!
Reply With Quote
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Merc1 For This Useful Post:
Bilal (01-24-2009), CarGuy (01-23-2009), cawimmer430 (01-24-2009), DaSilva (01-24-2009), etlomotey (01-24-2009), Tarek (01-24-2009)

Sponsored Links
Old 01-24-2009, 12:11 AM   #2
ateekt   ateekt is offline
Devotee
 
ateekt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Washington D.C
Garage: Bavarian
Posts: 2,786
Thanks: 306
Thanked 1,166 Times in 641 Posts
ateekt is a name known to allateekt is a name known to allateekt is a name known to allateekt is a name known to allateekt is a name known to allateekt is a name known to allateekt is a name known to allateekt is a name known to allateekt is a name known to allateekt is a name known to allateekt is a name known to all
Re: Car and Driver: Corvette ZR1 vs. SL65 AMG Black Series, Murciélago LP640, Viper S

Quote:
First: Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
Second: Lamborghini Murciélago LP640
Third: Mercedes-Benz SL65 AMG Black Series
Fourth: Dodge Viper SRT10
American source, American winner! Merc is the definate winner here, she is just right with power & manners!

Imo, Lp-640 is quite out-dated car for this comparo! Still, looks like she came right out of a car show!
__________________
///M-Power... Mean Power!
ateekt is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook!Google Bookmark this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Tweet This!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2009, 12:18 AM   #3
CarGuy   CarGuy is offline
Devotee
 
CarGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Edmonton, Canada
Posts: 2,158
Thanks: 1,020
Thanked 1,037 Times in 580 Posts
CarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of light
Re: Car and Driver: Corvette ZR1 vs. SL65 AMG Black Series, Murciélago LP640, Viper S

ZR-1
$116,520
3340 lbs
52/48 Weight Distribution
supercharged pushrod
16-valve V-8 376 cu in (6162cc)
Front Engine-Rear Drive
638 bhp @ 6500 rpm
604 lb-ft @ 3800 rpm
Redline: 6500 rpm
Lb/bhp: 5.2
6 Speed Manual
0-30 mph: 1.8 sec
0-60 mph: 3.6 sec
0-100 mph: 7.8 sec
0-120 mph: 10.4 sec
0-140 mph: 14.0 sec
1320 ft, 11.7 sec @ 127 mph
Street Start, 5-60 mph, 3.9 sec
Top Gear
30-50 mph, 6.3 sec
50-70 mph, 5.3 sec
70mph-0: 141 feet
1.07 g
Top Speed: 205 mph (drag limited)

SRT-10
$98,060
3420 lbs
50/50 Weight Distribution
pushrod 20-valve
V-10 512 cu in (8382cc)
Front Engine-Rear Drive
600 bhp @ 6100 rpm
560 lb-ft @ 5000 rpm
Redline: 6250 rpm
Lb/bhp: 5.7
6 Speed Manual
0-30 mph: 1.8 sec
0-60 mph: 3.6 sec
0-100 mph: 7.8 sec
0-120 mph: 10.4 sec
0-140 mph: 14.2 sec
1320 ft, 11.8 sec @ 128 mph
Street Start, 5-60 mph, 3.7 sec
Top Gear
30-50 mph, 10.5 sec
50-70 mph, 9.8 sec
70mph-0: 162 feet
1.02 g
Top Speed: 202 mph (drag limited)

LP640
$440,460
4060 lbs
42/58 Weight Distribution
DOHC 48-valve
V-12 396 cu in (6496cc)
Mid Engine-All Wheel Drive
632 bhp @ 8000 rpm
487 lb-ft @ 6000 rpm
Redline: 8500 rpm
Lb/bhp: 6.4
6 Speed E-Gear
0-30 mph: 1.4 sec
0-60 mph: 3.2 sec
0-100 mph: 7.5 sec
0-120 mph: 10.1 sec
0-140 mph: 14.0 sec
1320 ft, 11.5 sec @ 127 mph
Street Start, 5-60 mph, 4.0 sec
Top Gear
30-50 mph, 4.3 sec
50-70 mph, 5.2 sec
70mph-0: 166 feet
1.00 g
Top Speed: 211 mph (drag limited)

SL65 BS
$304,350
4220 lbs
52/48 Weight Distribution
twin-turbocharged SOHC
36-valve V-12 365 cu in (5980cc)
Front Engine-Rear Drive
661 bhp @ 5400 rpm
738 lb-ft @ 2200 rpm
Redline: 6200 rpm
Lb/bhp: 6.4
5 Speed Automatic
0-30 mph: 1.6 sec
0-60 mph: 3.6 sec
0-100 mph: 7.6 sec
0-120 mph: 10.5 sec
0-140 mph: 15.0 sec
1320 ft, 11.7 sec @ 126 mph
Street Start, 5-60 mph, 4.0 sec
Top Gear
30-50 mph, 2.0 sec
50-70 mph, 1.9 sec
70mph-0: 152 feet
0.93 g
Top Speed: 199 mph (governor limited)
__________________
You're familiar with the phrase "man's reach exceeds his grasp"? It's a lie, man's grasp exceeds his nerve.

Last edited by CarGuy; 01-24-2009 at 03:16 AM.
CarGuy is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook!Google Bookmark this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Tweet This!
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to CarGuy For This Useful Post:
Bilal (01-24-2009), Tarek (01-24-2009), VroomVroom (01-24-2009)
Old 01-24-2009, 12:24 AM   #4
CarGuy   CarGuy is offline
Devotee
 
CarGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Edmonton, Canada
Posts: 2,158
Thanks: 1,020
Thanked 1,037 Times in 580 Posts
CarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of light
Re: Car and Driver: Corvette ZR1 vs. SL65 AMG Black Series, Murciélago LP640, Viper S

And I will have them in that order please!
__________________
You're familiar with the phrase "man's reach exceeds his grasp"? It's a lie, man's grasp exceeds his nerve.
CarGuy is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook!Google Bookmark this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Tweet This!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2009, 12:30 AM   #5
CarGuy   CarGuy is offline
Devotee
 
CarGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Edmonton, Canada
Posts: 2,158
Thanks: 1,020
Thanked 1,037 Times in 580 Posts
CarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of light
Re: Car and Driver: Corvette ZR1 vs. SL65 AMG Black Series, Murciélago LP640, Viper S

Quote:
Originally Posted by ateekt View Post
American source, American winner! Merc is the definate winner here, she is just right with power & manners!

Imo, Lp-640 is quite out-dated car for this comparo! Still, looks like she came right out of a car show!
They basically say...

the LP is the winner buh meh because there are to many poor people in the world

will have to pick the car that can mimic the rich man's car best, the Corvette.
__________________
You're familiar with the phrase "man's reach exceeds his grasp"? It's a lie, man's grasp exceeds his nerve.
CarGuy is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook!Google Bookmark this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Tweet This!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2009, 12:41 AM   #6
ateekt   ateekt is offline
Devotee
 
ateekt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Washington D.C
Garage: Bavarian
Posts: 2,786
Thanks: 306
Thanked 1,166 Times in 641 Posts
ateekt is a name known to allateekt is a name known to allateekt is a name known to allateekt is a name known to allateekt is a name known to allateekt is a name known to allateekt is a name known to allateekt is a name known to allateekt is a name known to allateekt is a name known to allateekt is a name known to all
Re: Car and Driver: Corvette ZR1 vs. SL65 AMG Black Series, Murciélago LP640, Viper S

Quote:
Originally Posted by CarGuy View Post
They basically say...

the LP is the winner
Of course... if money is not an object! I just noticed, $440,460 price-tag of Lambo means... I'm decades away!

I must admit, it's impossible to buy as much performance as Corvette offers with that price-tag!
__________________
///M-Power... Mean Power!
ateekt is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook!Google Bookmark this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Tweet This!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2009, 12:45 AM   #7
CarGuy   CarGuy is offline
Devotee
 
CarGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Edmonton, Canada
Posts: 2,158
Thanks: 1,020
Thanked 1,037 Times in 580 Posts
CarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of lightCarGuy is a glorious beacon of light
Re: Car and Driver: Corvette ZR1 vs. SL65 AMG Black Series, Murciélago LP640, Viper S

Quote:
Originally Posted by ateekt View Post
Of course... if money is not an object! I just noticed, $440,460 price-tag of Lambo means... I'm decades away!

I must admit, it's impossible to buy as much performance as Corvette offers with that price-tag!

Yep in America the ZR and SRT are kings of the hill in value.
__________________
You're familiar with the phrase "man's reach exceeds his grasp"? It's a lie, man's grasp exceeds his nerve.
CarGuy is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook!Google Bookmark this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Tweet This!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2009, 04:53 AM   #8
Tarek   Tarek is offline
Connoisseur
 
Tarek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Cairo.
Garage: Italian.
Posts: 6,954
Thanks: 4,524
Thanked 1,069 Times in 875 Posts
Tarek is a glorious beacon of lightTarek is a glorious beacon of lightTarek is a glorious beacon of lightTarek is a glorious beacon of lightTarek is a glorious beacon of lightTarek is a glorious beacon of lightTarek is a glorious beacon of lightTarek is a glorious beacon of light
Re: Car and Driver: Corvette ZR1 vs. SL65 AMG Black Series, Murciélago LP640, Viper S

Here's my order:

SL65 Black.
LP640
ZR-1
Viper

Tarek is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook!Google Bookmark this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Tweet This!
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Tarek For This Useful Post:
Merc1 (01-24-2009), sako97 (01-24-2009)
Old 01-24-2009, 07:59 AM   #9
Journeyman
 
VroomVroom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
AKA: vroom_vroom
Location: England
Garage: Vauxhall Corsa
Posts: 4,789
Thanks: 4,574
Thanked 1,619 Times in 1,033 Posts
VroomVroom is a name known to allVroomVroom is a name known to allVroomVroom is a name known to allVroomVroom is a name known to allVroomVroom is a name known to allVroomVroom is a name known to allVroomVroom is a name known to allVroomVroom is a name known to allVroomVroom is a name known to allVroomVroom is a name known to allVroomVroom is a name known to all
Re: Car and Driver: Corvette ZR1 vs. SL65 AMG Black Series, Murciélago LP640, Viper S

LP640

It's not showing its age at all!

Defiantly the winner
__________________
Audi - Always Leads, Never Follows.


VroomVroom is online now  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook!Google Bookmark this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Tweet This!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2009, 11:02 AM   #10
bmer   bmer is offline
Journeyman
 
bmer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,535
Thanks: 6,012
Thanked 2,149 Times in 1,204 Posts
bmer has a brilliant futurebmer has a brilliant futurebmer has a brilliant futurebmer has a brilliant futurebmer has a brilliant futurebmer has a brilliant futurebmer has a brilliant futurebmer has a brilliant futurebmer has a brilliant futurebmer has a brilliant futurebmer has a brilliant future
Re: Car and Driver: Corvette ZR1 vs. SL65 AMG Black Series, Murciélago LP640, Viper S

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarek View Post
Here's my order:

SL65 Black.
LP640
ZR-1
Viper

You like girls with large "mass"? j/k
bmer is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Share on Facebook!Google Bookmark this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!Tweet This!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
amg, black, car, corvette, corvette zr1, driver, lp640, murcielago, series, sl65, sl65 black series, srt10, viper, zr1

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Official: BMW E90/E91 Facelift Thread wac77 3 Series 384 02-12-2009 10:07 AM
BMW 7er "Concept Active Hybrid" SCOTT27 7 Series 81 10-14-2008 11:00 AM
In Detail: Audi Q5 Bartek Sikorski Q5 0 07-08-2008 10:25 PM
Official Pics: M3 Convertible with M DKG south 3 Series 108 06-01-2008 10:00 AM
Wimmer's Testdrives: The Complete List cawimmer430 The Mercedes-Benz Lounge 41 11-17-2007 03:55 AM



Copyright ©2005 - 2009, GermanCarZone.com. All Rights Reserved.

SEO by vBSEO 3.3.1 ©2009, Crawlability, Inc.