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We are on the same boot. Lexus came, copied Europe's best, and released it with a lower pricetag. And voilà, here is Lexus... Whereas Mercedes worked hard to make the automobile what it is today, made the most decisive inventions after years of R&D with the first safety concerns and the first answers to the problems of people protection.

Nobody deserves its place on the top of the automotive world more than Mercedes-Benz.
Nobody deserves the same place less than Lexus, who basically did nothing else than recopy the recipe and replace pepper by salt...

But so is our world, where appearance and marketing have such a place...

Again, GOOD POINTS.

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I am not going to accuse you of leaving this out, but one of my biggest gripes is how many people leave out the "Toyota factor". Lexus wouldn't be anywhere without Toyota. Toyota created them and funded their projects. Lexus got their money from Toyota (and still gets cash from their daddy when they require it).

Karl Benz and Gottlieb Daimler had to first of all work with their own money, then they had to convince investors of their technology, visions and ideas. Mind you, I am sure you're aware that far too many people at that time were skeptical of the automobile so the chances of Benz or Daimler finding an investor were a bit grim.

My reason for mentioning this is that Lexus has had it very easy. They've never had to struggle, survive two world wars and that. Think of my analogy a few posts above. Lexus got to where they are because of Toyota, the rich daddy with money.


Yes, what Lexus did was phenomenal, but it is no secret that they essentially took apart the benchmark of that era - a W126 Mercedes S-Class and later a W140 S-Class - studied it and improved upon it. Essentially, Lexus improved upon existing Mercedes technology and released their own version called LS400.

You nailed it.

Perfect ending

Well, the Nissan GT-R is a phenomenal car that can rightly compete and even beat the best from Europe and America. I don't really have a problem with the GT-R. In fact it is basically an extension of the infamous Skyline cars. The Skyline is one of my favorite Japanese cars, especially the R34 version both in sedan and coupe form. In Japan the Skyline can trace its history back to the 1960s with each successive version improving on the old but retaining the same concept: sports sedan.

It's like the history of the BMW 3-Series. It was always a sports sedan.

I agree though that some people completely blow things out of proportion. The GT-R beating some Porsches and Ferraris around a track doesn't mean Nissan will have more brand prestige than these companies. It adds to brand prestige and achievements, but you've got to do more than that to get an equal footing with these two European brands.


Exactly. More or less how I feel.

I have more respect for Acura and Infiniti because they compete with Audi and BMW respectively (from a philosophy point of view) yet are "down to earth". I've never heard of them pretending to be what they're not. Moreover, I have to say that I have been impressed with the humbleness and honesty of most Acura and Infiniti fans. They give credit where credit is due. Lexus fans are the worst and are one reason why I dislike Lexus. I know you shouldn't listen to fans but lately I feel that Lexus is behaving in the same way.

Lexus is a good brand with some superb products (and many overrated products too) but I feel that they've become snobby as of late and feel that they're on the same brand prestige level as Mercedes or BMW or Audi, which in my opinion they're far away from.



I understand.

Again, Audi has prestige and heritage, but when you look at the whole picture Mercedes and BMW would come ahead from a purely statistical point of view based on the time they've been around, achievements etc. I hope you understand what I am saying. I like Audi, always have and I always felt that Audi deserves more respect, now more than ever.

I do understand, and I do agree!

What a fun debate At least we have settled everyones hate for Lexus

And more importantly, WHY.

This forum backs up their opinions with facts and arguments that have a footing, unlike oh....ClubLexus.com

Exactly, we are not completly biased towards Lexus. We have our reasons and with our reasons follow facts and arguments and with acts and arguments brings debate and with debate brings us together (I've been watching the Volvo advert)

shall we cause some trouble over at ClubLexus

IF you think that audi has no history just look at my siganture!!

Was referring to DWK, Horch, NSU