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GTA , Im not missing any points. I hear you loud and clear.
But again , only intresting JD Power is the survey presenting statistic over a long term period. There is nothing that says the C-class problems might appear a lot more after 100 days. 60 days is too short period and much more problems might appear after but we'll never know since JD insist 60 days is to go. Say what you want GTA but I'm not intrested in short time surveys.
I'm happy carmakers are giving us warranties on new cars so we dont have to pay for possible faults.

And my survey, its not worse than your JD Power. Now you just trying to find flaws cause the E90 ranked above C-class
Not long ago we had a survey in Sweden and again BMW overall was ranked above Mercedes.
What car!, ADAC are other surveys we have in Europe. As far as I know we dont use JD Power here.

Fanboy mode ON!
I didn`t mension that this car was better than that.. my point was the
comprehension of the JD Power survey and how it compares with others.





-and how extensive was that study. It was probably as short and flawed as this one like comparing leased vehicles (what a fricken joke!).. Look, I can see where this is going and again it`s turned into another fanboy-blowout that all but ruins valuable points in a discussion.

Peace out man.. I don`t think I need to remind you to be more open minded in your points, (and just plain logic itself) It`s not like we are talking about each others` girlfriend or wives and our defences are so hi that thay become holy objects.

You did not need to turn that mode on ;-)

Well, I guess we all agree that most surveys serve some sort of purpose. For instance, this JD Power survey covering the first 60 days is important as it measures the perceived quality (has very little to do with real quality). Why is this important? Because it sets the mind of the buyer. Audi used to be masters of this art...

The FN50 tells you less about perceived quality. From what I understand they measure the cost of running the car over a year. One weakness with the FN50 is that we do not know the age of the cars. Leasing cars har often held for 2 - 3 years.

All of these surveys are important to varying degrees IMO. The short term ones, 60 or 90 days show that the cars aren't lemons right out the gate. Mercedes needed to show improvement in these because with previous generation models like the ML, W220 S-Class and first 3 years of the current E-Class (W211) Mercedes couldn't even pass the 90 day tests! The short term surveys at best do hint at a quality car, that means something if not the world.

That said the real survey to use in America is the JDP Dependability Survey. It measures the first 3 years (used to be 5 years) from the original owner. That is the best way to get the real answers, here again Mercedes is laging because in 2008 we're looking at 2005 cars.....not the darkest year for MB, but not a good one by any means either. JDP does so care about long term quality, and they only changed the period from 5 to 3 years at the car makers request. Citing that by the time the data is analyzed the car has in most case been redesigned already or is in its last model year(s) rendering the survey useless.


Consumer Reports is whole other animal. I won't bore the readers with my loathing of them.


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*urk* picture posted by GTA scared the crap out of me.
I'll end this thread by saying I agree with Merc last post

BTW talking about realibilty, yesterday I had my first real problem with my babybimmer after 14 months ownership. Talking about realibilty and how good my car been its apparently not a good thing, I got punished