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Re: BMW ///M vs AMG, Who tunes better? - 08-05-2008, 03:17 PM

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Oh god, you just opened Pandora's box. Neither is better, they all offer a different experience.
Yep and this will turn into fanboy war plus this is a very very old poll to have,that i won't even bother to reply to Klier's fanboy comment
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Re: BMW ///M vs AMG, Who tunes better? - 08-05-2008, 03:23 PM

YAY FLAME WAR!
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Re: BMW ///M vs AMG, Who tunes better? - 08-05-2008, 04:58 PM

AMG. Their cars are designed to lead F1 races.
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Re: BMW ///M vs AMG, Who tunes better? - 08-05-2008, 05:03 PM

I agree M engines are some of the best in the world, 100+bhp/litre etc etc, but no torque to speak of also they have had a lot of practice.

AMGs first attempt at a full engine design and build, rather than using a Merc engine and pimping it is the 63 engine.

In its natural state of tune gives 525bhp AND 480lb/ft and manages to rev to 7300rpm IMO is AMAZING. It is truly an all round great engine, probbably one of the best engines on sale.

Even at those figures its unstresed. Add better breathing and a chip and it goes to 580bhp and 500lbft for me it MURDERS any m car engine.

But that of course is MY opinion........................................... ......................i hope this hasnt given away which car is arriving net month
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Re: BMW ///M vs AMG, Who tunes better? - 08-05-2008, 05:16 PM

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Even at those figures its unstresed. Add better breathing and a chip and it goes to 580bhp and 500lbft for me it MURDERS any m car engine.
Right!
you just have to look at the data of the new slc mercedes. this car even gets the 6,2l amg-engine
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Re: BMW ///M vs AMG, Who tunes better? - 08-05-2008, 06:17 PM

Engine of the year 2008:

Results points

1. BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6) 218
2. Mercedes-AMG 6.2-litre (C, CLK, E, CLS, S, SL, ML, R) 183

Featuring some familiar entrants, the Above 4-litre category at the International Engine of the Year Awards 2008 sees BMW triumph for the fourth year in a row. It may have lost out to Porsche in the Best Performance Engine category, but the 5-litre has held off competition from Ferrari and Mercedes-AMG, the latter jumping from fifth in 2007 to runner-up this year.

The win here makes the 4,999cc powerplant the most successful in Awards history, passing its 3.2-litre inline six stablemate from the previous generation M3. With its nine trophies so far in four years, there is no reason why more accolades should not be bestowed on the V10.



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Re: BMW ///M vs AMG, Who tunes better? - 08-05-2008, 06:36 PM

^ We're not gonna repeat all the engine awards discussions again Klier
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Re: BMW ///M vs AMG, Who tunes better? - 08-05-2008, 06:40 PM

OK, ok, my friend
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Re: BMW ///M vs AMG, Who tunes better? - 08-05-2008, 06:45 PM

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Engine of the year 2008:

Results points

1. BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6) 218
2. Mercedes-AMG 6.2-litre (C, CLK, E, CLS, S, SL, ML, R) 183

Featuring some familiar entrants, the Above 4-litre category at the International Engine of the Year Awards 2008 sees BMW triumph for the fourth year in a row. It may have lost out to Porsche in the Best Performance Engine category, but the 5-litre has held off competition from Ferrari and Mercedes-AMG, the latter jumping from fifth in 2007 to runner-up this year.

The win here makes the 4,999cc powerplant the most successful in Awards history, passing its 3.2-litre inline six stablemate from the previous generation M3. With its nine trophies so far in four years, there is no reason why more accolades should not be bestowed on the V10.



but I still prefer the AMG 6.2
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Re: BMW ///M vs AMG, Who tunes better? - 08-05-2008, 07:34 PM

Here I use my wealth of experience and my directness to the question.

This is something that I say that people will and wont agree with me but in relation to BMW's success in each relevant category regarding the Engine of the year awards many ask why the competition get completely overlooked?

Well for one thing these awards are for innovation not immitation.
although the equivalent engine arrives with either more PS and Torque over the equivalent BMW powerplant , surely the newcomer should walk away with the reward?
Or so you think! Again it is innovation that is rewarded and there is no doubt that the competition has made the equivalent poweplant to perform better than the BMW engine , But this is something that many refuse to accept or wont accept is that whatever engine is first introduced by BMW then the competition goes one further in their quest of progress over the initial introductory powerplant.
But whether you are driving the new Turbo Audi or Turbo diesel Mercedes-Benz or V10 Audi RS models.
It is the fact that you are driving a car powered by an engine that although progressed through either Stuttgart or Ingolstadt was initially decided for you in a BMW boardroom in Munich. Ideas filter downward from the original question but there are some that either answer ,expand or ignore the question.
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