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Re: Tech / Innovation leader: MB S-class vs. BMW 7-series - 04-26-2008, 08:39 AM

Everyone knows the S-Class has brought a lot to the table, there's no denying that. Never mind the big things, even the little things such as Parktronic and the MB Smart Key ( and the switch blade key before that) were an S-Class first.

I've always wondered who brought Sat Nav into cars? I noticed it first in a W220 S-Class, but COMAND was optional outside of the US, so not all W220's had it.
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Re: Tech / Innovation leader: MB S-class vs. BMW 7-series - 04-26-2008, 11:32 AM

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They have been around for over 70 years now. Lexus = Toyota and will always be. Nice enough cars but they have absolutely no soul what so ever.
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It is always easier to follow.
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Huh? Lexus? What did they do? They took somethings from the Maybach, some from the S-class and a few things from the 7 series.

What in the world is innovative about that? Oh the self parking feature. Doesn't the CL have that too. Might work differently, but the same thing.

Lexus watched the German for years. They used there designs, technology and applied Toyotas dependablitiy.

Nothing special. Other then being dependable and cheaper they have no real advantage.

BUT...I will give them 2 points for their hybrids (toyota did most of the work) and having a good sales record.
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Oh...and Lexus...beyond hybrids isn't an innovator of anything. Lexus sits back and lets the Germans do all the all work then they add to it to call it innovation.

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LOL! Well said, guys.
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Re: Tech / Innovation leader: MB S-class vs. BMW 7-series - 04-26-2008, 11:54 AM

I remember their V6 (lexus) was a great technological masterpiece.
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Re: Tech / Innovation leader: MB S-class vs. BMW 7-series - 04-27-2008, 08:22 AM

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What about multi-link rear suspension wasn't Mercedes the first out the door with that? I remember it was a big deal when the W201 debuted.
The W201 was AFAIK the first production car with that multi-link suspension. However it's not an S-Class...

I would say that the S-Class has a very long history of innovationj behind it. For BMW it is only with the e65 that they were really serious about R&D technology (with the reliability we know, however), and Lexus with the latest LS460 (but the rest of the car is sub-par).

However, even with the W221 where MB was conservative because the reliability came first, an innovation like the Distronic+ with emergency braking and jam-function is very interesting.

What I like is that BMW always try to innovate in its own way: Adapted Drive, active steering, etc. These are truly BMW-typival innovation, dedicated to the driving's pleasure, and I would say could only come from BMW.

Same with Audi,even if they are not very tech-oriented (despite their surprising image in that concern), but their innovations are Audi-typical, like quattro or the Alu space-frame, or the fingerprint-starter.

Whereas Lexus is really trying to copy MB, they have Pre-Safe, they have the Distronic+... these are typical MB-innovations, and Lexus only takes them, or develop them slightly differently.
But we can see that Lexus has no real way, no real philosophy, no real idea of what a perfect car is. They decided to follow MB (BMW with the IS), and even copy its philosophy. Same kind of conservative design (even if a bit more personal this time), same kind of equipments, etc. Same goal of comfort.

However, MB manages to ally it with a pleasant drivetrain, because they are always re-thinking themselves, and always trying to improve their game, whereas lexus does not. They are always one generation behing, you can be sure that the next LS will be a bit more driver-oriented, but both BMW and MB will have moved their game a bit further.
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Re: Tech / Innovation leader: MB S-class vs. BMW 7-series - 04-27-2008, 10:44 AM

The current 7er is dismal. Even audi have more innovations than BMW.
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Re: Tech / Innovation leader: MB S-class vs. BMW 7-series - 04-27-2008, 10:55 AM

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The current 7er is dismal. Even audi have more innovations than BMW.
You make Audi sound like a chinese maker,it's a leader
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Re: Tech / Innovation leader: MB S-class vs. BMW 7-series - 04-27-2008, 06:17 PM

Correct me if i am wrong. the start/stop engine botton on BMW dashboard first i saw in TATA school bus ohhhh very old days
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