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the reason the gap between the GTR and the other two is so huge on the track is because of the tires on the other two cars. give porsche its optional semi slicks and it would be MUCH closer. also, ive noted that many rennteam members have said that the awd system of the 997TT isnt that great.

that said, the GTR is great bang for the buck, but as more tests come in, is showing that it isnt living up to the huge hype it created.

in the straight line is gets completely WHIPED after 60 mph (and its important to note that in order to keep up to 60 mph it has to use its LC system which hurts the clutch big time). so much for a mini Veyron that Top Gear talked about.

from a 30 mph roll to 120 its >1 seconds behind the Porsche and 2.5seconds behind the vette. thats HUGE. in a straight line from a roll I wouldnt be surprised if a regular C6 vette was able to keep up (still weighs 500 lbs less than the GTR). looking at the trap speeds we can see the GTR gets huge traction off the line but thats it.

overall, good showing for the GTR but I like how they rated the traditional 6 speeds of the vette and 911 to be superior to that of the GTR's ubergearbox

in terms of looks I think the GTR looks great except for the front. what the hell were they thinking? the rear is good and so is the side. not the front though.

And now go compare the size of the brakes of the GTR to that of the lighter 911

Magazines are currently only hyping up the GTR because doing so sells magazines. Its clearly obvious this test was unfair, and comparing it to sportauto data one can see so. The Z06 really dominates around hockeheim and the 'ring but for some reason a porky GTR can be 6 secs faster arond it on a track? Oh please.

Don't know how the GTR tires compares to the ones on Z06 and 911TT, and that might explain some of the 6 secs lead. But they are definitely not R tires going by the thread wear rating and GTR has already proved to be faster than GT3 on cups which are R tires (in the Evo test).

Magazines are hyping the GTR because it's a Nissan that is faster than a Porsche 911 Turbo for half the price.
The 6 sec are maybe too much, the tyres on the Nissan were surely better for this test.
But every single test said the GTR was faster than a 911 Turbo, and even than a 911 GT3. For half the price.

So call it porky or what you want, complain on the tyres, I'm sorry the GTR is one hell of a car and it's currently putting the best Porsches to a shame. And so does it with the super-powerful Z06. All that for a unique price.

The two best porsches are the GT3 RS and the GT2 and secondly do you know what porsches profit margin is for their 911 range. If they wanted to sell their vehicles for no profit it would cost about the same as the GTR

Remember nissan arent making a profit with their GTR.

Oh and lastly since when was the GTR faster than the 911's and Z06 in every test when in sportauto its been shown that the GTR is not as fast as people like to make out and slower than the porkas and Z06.

Yes but in the auto car test and evo test the cups would not be working at their most effective level due to the wet/damp track which affects cups big time. The GTR is a easy car to drive fast and the GT3 is not so much, so given to the professional hands of a racing driver and the GT3 is faster.

Oh and the tires on the GTR are said to be similiar in grip levels to track tires, evo and scooby drivers love them, guy down my road has them on his evo and he says they make GSD3's look crap.

So what? Porsche wins money so you're happy to pay twince the price for the same performances? I'm sorry, the fact that Porsche earns a lot of money is very good, but if a competitor is that good and that cheap they have to react. For now they are slightly embarrased by the GTR.

Okay, maybe one or two tests said the GTR was only as fast, or maybe a very very little slower on certain conditions...but still, it's a Nissan, and it's half the price. And it's easier to drive.

As far as the tires are concerned...well kudos for Nissan to give fabulous tyres, and Porsche, too bad, next time maybe?
So you pay twice more, have to put better tyres, and what? add a third turbo, replace the body with carbon-fiber, and then you have a faster 911?

No, I am a Porsche fan, but I've always said the actual Turbo is not good enough. And I don't like the GTR, honestly, but it's a superb piece of engineering. First attempt, already even or better than Porsche's masterpeice...

The only domain where the Porsche still is better, is the driving pleasure, and it's a very important point. But still, kudos to Nissan, the GTR is a great great achievment. And I saw a lot more reviews where it was faster, than reviews where it was slower than the 911TT. That is a phenomenon.

No, the EVO test was done in completely dry track. But don't let little messy things called facts get in you way of finding excuses. May be the sun was too bright or the wind was too strong or the tides were too low.

And here is the fantastic video of the two fantastic cars battling it out in a very dry track for those who do care about facts. Nissan GT-R v Porsche GT3 | Planet evo | Videos | evo

A real good case of European car defeat denial going on here. All anyone has to do is watch the video of the GT-R in action. I don't see why the GT-R's victories are so hard to accept. They set out to outdo the 911 Turbo which in turn would make it at least competitive if not outright better than the Z06 too. When a company openly benchmarks another car and builds their car to beat it they can do it quite easily. If the Porsche does this at this level, we build ours to do it at this level and so on. Easy to understand why the GT-R performs the way it does IMO. Plus these are sports cars, somewhat simplier job than building a luxury car IMO. Porsche will FL the 911, Corvette ZR-1 is coming and so goes on....


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