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If the R8 only would have had a semi-auto and more grunt from the engine ...

I think that the main problem of the Z06 is not the suspension (it has double wishbone geometry in both axles) but the lack of traction due to crappy OEM tires.

Another bullsh*t test.

Firstly the Z06 is usually 2 secs faster than the 997TT but for some reason this time its not. Also in this test the GTR is a whole 6 secs per lap faster.

6 secs a lap for such a short track is just phenomenal and going by other testing one can only conclude that the GTR had superior tires, and due to its driver freindly nature, and its ability to make a driver seem better than he really is thanks to all the computers allowed for such a fast time.

In this review he talks about how the GTR was easy to drive fast and inspire confidence, and for the otehr 2 cars he talked about how he lacked confidence when driving them. He also mentions how the GTR has super grippy tires.

In the hands of a average driver the GTR will win hands down. Give all 3 cars to a professional racing driver who doesnt lack confidence in any vehicle and im sure it would be a very different story. Once the R8 gets its turbo engine it should beat the GTR, as currently even though its massively underpowerd compared to the GTR its barely slower around some of the racetracks the GTR has set laptimes on.

Have you ever wondered why is it that you have to make excuses about every single test that the GT-R wins or performs well in? It's not your fault that all the tests are BS and you have to correct them, right?

Oh come on bmer. You should very well know that the GT-R is a terrible car incapable of not only performing well, but winning tests against comparable cars. This test is totally fixed, as like every other test the GT-R is featured in....

Im just concerned that all the computer help and superior AWD is taking away the driving fun/involvement. Thats the problem with performance cars today that they get more and more effective. I bet my mother can be very fast around a track with a GTR.
If the GTR was a RWD I dont think we would see these amazing laptimes by the GTR.

The only test I believe is the sportauto one.

The editor commented on this test and has said the reason why the GTR did so much better was because of the tyres so looks like I was right.

There was no way the GTR could brake quicker than the porsche or the Z06 when it weighs more and it not having ceramic brake discs. The brakes department on the GTR is one where nissan slightly skimped to save money, so for a much heavier car to outbrake the z06 and 911 suggests that it had grippier tyres and my assumptions where correct.

You would have to be an idiot to think the GTR weighing in at over 1700kg is 6 secs faster than the Z06 or 911 around such a short track unless ofcourse it had much better tyres.

Yeah sure, that's why the Lamborghini Murcielago 6.2 pulls up - source: Sport Auto - from 200 km/h faster than a Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale; the latter of which is not only much lighter, but unlike the Lamborghini, features ceramic brakes. And in Sport Auto's supertest, the SLR had a shorter stopping distance than the Carrera GT despite being a great deal heavier. Oh, and the 599 GTB pulled a braking distance from 200 km/h near identical to the Enzo.

Tyres certainly play a factor in braking distance, but then so does weight distribution and actual brake size. Your simple black and white ("this car's heavier than that") logic simply does not fit here.

The brakes on the GT-R are pretty freakin' massive. Despite its mass, the GT-R actually has more swept area per ton than the Corvette. IMO, GM wasted a lot of money co-developing their new multiple-padlet system with their supplier, instead of using a tried-and-true off the shelf system from Brembo, Alcon, or whatever. Most certainly, Nissan did not skimp in this area.
Tires are an important factor for sure. So are the Nissan's advanced electronics. No doubt the mass of the Nissan's brakes (and unsprung weight overall) are better kept in check with its electronically controlled suspension than a car that does without. IMO, that has more to do with performance over bumps and whatnot than the springing medium.

Wow, conspiracy theories....you gotta love them.

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