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This is a discussion on Ultimate Convertible Showdown Poll within the Internal Combustion forums, part of the Website Forums category; Originally Posted by CorpusCallosum I think maybe you two should agree to disagree and move on... I think so too. ...

View Poll Results: Which one would you have?
BMW M6 Convertible 8 9.64%
MB SL63 42 50.60%
Porsche 911 Turbo Convertible 10 12.05%
AM V8 Vantage Convertible 23 27.71%
Voters: 83. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-19-2008, 04:47 AM   #61
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I think maybe you two should agree to disagree and move on...
I think so too. I'm done here.
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Old 03-19-2008, 05:26 AM   #62
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Terrible in the rain? I never said they are terrible in the rain. Go back and point out exactly where I said they were terrible in the rain. (And if you can't find it, and you won't, why even bring it up?)
None of that negates the versatility.
You iplied it. Like the others can't be driven with any gusto in the rain without falling off the road. You're whole ridiculous argument was that the Porsche was better in the inclement weather or a rain slicked road. READ YOUR OWN POSTS if you want the proof.

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So tell me: Why would you ever even need to clean the top? Why would it ever even get dirty? It's a convertible; the top should never be up. Otherwise, you've wasted a perfectly good car.
Where did I say that top should never be up. Never said that. AGAIN, the premise for a convertible is summer, top down driving weather. Of course you have to let the top up at times. Again you're ignoring common sense for the sake of your feeble argument.


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Again, that is your own misgiving. Just because you're too pansy () doesn't mean other people don't do it, or that they're "absurd" for doing it. Hell, there are Miata and BMW meets (yes, here in the US) where owners gather for the expressed purpose of driving up into the mountains to drive into the snow. That's not absurd. That's called being more of a carnut than most. I think you're blowing it all out of proportion because most cars nowadays have perfectly adequate heaters (and seat heaters too), so it's not all that extreme.
Now there is an intelligent possition if there ever was one. Brilliant. Hell I don't care about BMW and Miata meets. One meet to do such a thing is a just that event, not an everyday thing. Why is that so hard for you to grasp. You just proved my point.

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Very few convertible buyers will ever entertain the thought of buying an AMG/M/Aston/Turbo. 500 hp isn't typicaly entered into the buying decision of a convertible buyer. So since these are performance convertibles, it only stands to reason that we evaluate them on their relative merits outside of merely being top-down cars. One of these merits is the ability to put down more of that power more of the time.
True, they are performance convertibles. The ridiculous part of your statement here is that "put the power down more of the time", what the hell does that mean? The other cars here can't put their power down? Now at the beginning of this same post you said that you didn't say that about them being terrible in the rain, yet here you imply that they can't put their power down? NOW WHICH IS IT? EITHER THAN CAN OR THEY CAN'T. ON A DRY ROAD NONE OF THESE CARS ARE TRACTION CHALLENGED! A SL65 YES, BUT NOT A SL63. IF THE WEATHER IS BAD WHAT THE HELL ARE DOING TRYING TO "PUT THE POWER DOWN" IN A CONVERTIBLE ANYWAY? YOUR ARGUMENT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.



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20 years ago, people probably would've scoffed at a Porsche that was AWD and a convertible. Like I said these are relatively new automobiles, considering the history of the automobile. Hell, 20 years ago, some people thought Audi would be dead in America.
And this has what to do with anything? NOTHING.


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Just because it's not a priority negates the versatility how? Oh that's right. It doesn't.
Again, nothing pertaining to anything here.



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Again, you are wrong. I'm not asking you to change your choice. I already knew before going in you'd pick the SL, and I know you love it, so I wouldn't ask you to change your choice even if you could. I couldn't care less about the results of this poll. I'm just discussing here. Like I said, I already picked the Aston. But I readily accept that it's not the most versatile here, not by a long shot.
Very well then, next time we'll open a versatile convertible thread and you can vote for the Porsche.


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Old 03-19-2008, 05:34 AM   #63
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Because you keep seeming to think that I feel people buy AWD cars for their AWD capabilities, oblivious to the fact that there could be other compelling reasons to buy them, and that AWD is just the icing on the cake. Only now, after repeating myself, do you seem to be getting the point.
It's absurd to think I'd want anyone to change their vote. I'm just explaining why I think the Porsche is more versatile or otherwise the more complete package (and listed several other reasons in support of this). If you want to ignore it, that's your choice. But the versatility is there whether you choose to ignore it or not.
Why would anyone buy an AWD version of the same car that can be had in RWD if AWD isn't the reason? You think people don't buy AWD cars for their AWD capabilities?????????????? WTH? Makes absolutely no sense. If that were the case then BMW, Mercedes, Audi and Porsche wouldn't offer them. I don't want a 4Matic Benz or a Xi BMW because the badge looks better! AWD is the only difference between a RWD version of any of these cars and AWD is THE reason why people buy a 335xi over a 335i or a E550 4Matic over a E550!! I can't believe anyone in the known world thinks this! Why the hell would a buy an AWD version of a car when a RWD version is lighter, drinks less gas and has less drivetrain components to worry about over time? I'd buy AWD for its incresed capability!!!!!!!!!!!
Again, for the Trillionith time.....I know the Porsche is more versatile car, never said it wasn't. I agreed with you about 500 posts ago that it was! What you don't grasp is that I simply don't see where it matters in a convertible. If were talking about a 911 Turbo Coupe vs a Z06 or the GT-R then yes AWD becomes a huge factor because these more of track stars than a convertible is. A convertible buyer by nature isn't looking for the ultimate in grip, cornering, acceleration and foul weather capability, otherwise he wouldn't be buying a convertible!

All of this and you didn't even vote for the Porsche. Utterly ridiculous.

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Re: Ultimate Convertible Showdown Poll

Marcus, Guibo as already said he isnt going to argue about this anymore. I think you should do the same. The whole debate is getting over the top.
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