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Just_me · 02-25-2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Luwalira

Perhaps the brakes are weak in relation to engine power or something.

Nah, 6 piston Brembo brakes arent weak. Probably better than the brakes on M3 IMHO.

acceleration time on ice is bad becuase it was difficult to get a good starts thanks to the power. and the reason for long braking distance was becuase of the ABS brakes, they didnt lock good enough. Heavier 335iX is 23 seconds faster than 135i in acceleration thanks to better traction. Intresting though is that 135i has faster laptime than RS4 on ice.

Tumbo · 02-25-2008, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luwalira

Ice change everything. Cars, especially those over powered ones tend to slip when going at it on ice.

Amen to that. That's why this test is very uninteresting for me.

bmer · 02-25-2008, 05:46 PM

There was another Winter Car test in a Finnish magazine. Here are the braking test results:

60-0 km/h braking, on snow

Mitsubishi Lancer Sports Sedan 2.0 DI-D: 38 m
BMW 123d Coupe: 39 m
Fiat Bravo 1,9 120 Multijet: 40 m
Hyundai i30 1,6 CRDi: 41 m
Kia Cee'd 1,6 CRDI HB: 41 m
Toyota Auris 1,4 D4-D 5-dr: 42 m
Ford Mondeo 1,8 TDCi Sedan: 43 m
Volvo V70 2,0D: 43 m
Renault Laguna HB 1,5 dCi: 45 m
Chrysler Sebring 2,0 CRD Touring: 46 m
Mercedes-Benz C 200 CDI: 46 m
Peugeot 308 HDI 110 FAP: 46 m
Audi A4 2,0 TDI: 48 m
Skoda Fabia 1,9 TDI Sport: 48 m
Nissan Qashqai 1,5 dCi Acenta 4x2: 52 m

60-0 km/h braking, on ice

Renault Laguna HB 1,5 dCi: 104 m
Toyota Auris 1,4 D4-D 5-dr: 105 m
Volvo V70 2,0D: 106 m
Skoda Fabia 1,9 TDI Sport: 106 m
Peugeot 308 HDI 110 FAP: 108 m
Ford Mondeo 1,8 TDCi Sedan: 115 m
Nissan Qashqai 1,5 dCi Acenta 4x2: 115 m
Fiat Bravo 1,9 120 Multijet: 120 m
Hyundai i30 1,6 CRDi: 120 m
Mercedes-Benz C 200 CDI: 123 m
Kia Cee'd 1,6 CRDI HB: 124 m
Audi A4 2,0 TDI: 124 m
BMW 123d Coupe: 127 m
Chrysler Sebring 2,0 CRD Touring: 131 m
Mitsubishi Lancer Sports Sedan 2.0 DI-D: 133 m

It was quite a big test (about 12 days or so). Some videos are available at YouTube: YouTube - mrksphoto's Videos

Just_me · 02-26-2008, 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tumbo

Amen to that. That's why this test is very uninteresting for me.

So how 135i and 335xi behave on ice is unintresting to you? Its not for me. Tells us how cars behave on winter roads and how good they are when the climate is getting more extreme.

Sunny · 02-26-2008, 02:13 AM

Wow, RS4 got served at Audi's own game!

dr Dunkel · 02-26-2008, 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luwalira

Perhaps the brakes are weak in relation to engine power or something.

The brakes on the 135i seems good enough from previous tests, I think it has more to do with how BMW has set up the ABS.

Tumbo · 02-26-2008, 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just_me

So how 135i and 335xi behave on ice is unintresting to you? Its not for me. Tells us how cars behave on winter roads and how good they are when the climate is getting more extreme.

Yes it is, cause my A4 with 225 hp got it ass kicked on ice by a 75hp Toyota Corolla. Too much horsepower is not good on ice. The RS4 has got 120 more hp the the Beemers, and that's what killed it.

Just_me · 02-26-2008, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tumbo

Yes it is, cause my A4 with 225 hp got it ass kicked on ice by a 75hp Toyota Corolla. Too much horsepower is not good on ice. The RS4 has got 120 more hp the the Beemers, and that's what killed it.

No, the engine did not killed the RS4 in this test. The throttle was to sensitive on ice. Probably to sporty for its own good to be a good wintercar.
If the RS4 was RWD then there would be too much power for the car but RS4 has a great quattro system.

PanterroR · 02-26-2008, 03:30 AM

Nice to see xDrive working well on snow and ice.

Just_me · 03-04-2008, 04:54 AM

Part II is now out.

EVO wins this year too but 335xi manage to take third place in the end. Only beaten by EVO and 997 TT. R8 placed behind the 335xi.

here are some videos

R8 vs 997 TT
Webb-TV - Auto Motor & Sport - Sveriges snabbaste bil-tv!

WRX STI vs Evo IX
Webb-TV - Auto Motor & Sport - Sveriges snabbaste bil-tv!

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