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Re: Poor M5 getting spanked by new RS6 or is it the driver? (Autocar) - 02-08-2008, 06:12 PM

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The thing is that they probably didn't want to do a car similar to the M5, according to what it's written in this test about how the car goes, they wanted to do a car previous RS6 owners will feel familiar with.
Yep just like what MB does with it's performance AMG cars.
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Re: Poor M5 getting spanked by new RS6 or is it the driver? (Autocar) - 02-08-2008, 07:12 PM

There is no winner and looser in this test.

I would take the RS6 cause i know that it will be much easier to drive and more stable in wet and ice but the M5 will suit better those who like taking turns with the side (like just_me)...
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Re: Poor M5 getting spanked by new RS6 or is it the driver? (Autocar) - 02-08-2008, 07:45 PM

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tis editor Harris has never like the SMG. Last time the tested the M5 the hated the car. Same old same old Harris.
Really? He seemed to like it moderately the first time he tried it. Or at least, much less bothered than he seems here. And that goes for the transmission as well. From the old test:
"Power selected, auto ’box chosen, we nose off. The box shifts cleanly enough, but it’s immediately obvious that SMG can’t match the versatility of Audi’s DSG system. That’s not a big problem, because you learn to feather the throttle and smooth shifts accordingly, but it’s a long way behind the best autos."
M5 owners have noted the same technique, though most prefer doing the shifting themselves. On Fifth Gear, Tiff felt that using this technique in the fastest shift mode was smoother than in the slowest (and theoretically smoothest) mode without.

It's interesting to note how at odds two writers from the same mag can view a transmission. When Sutcliffe drove the M5, he loved it.


Of course, that article was later written off as sensationalistic journalism designed to sell copies, but it does highlight how BMW take a different approach which they hope appeals to a certain kind of driver. The shifts in the most aggressive mode are brutal, but that Japanese video seems to exaggerate the effect to make their point; other vids show much less torso movement.
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Re: Poor M5 getting spanked by new RS6 or is it the driver? (Autocar) - 02-09-2008, 05:34 AM

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There is no winner and looser in this test.
I agree!

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I would take the RS6 cause i know that it will be much easier to drive and more stable in wet and ice but the M5 will suit better those who like taking turns with the side (like just_me)...
Actually I would pick RS6 as well. As a Wagon, the Rs6 seem to be the best choice. Then again, Im not a wagon person. RS6 has one huge disadvantage though and its the price.
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Re: Poor M5 getting spanked by new RS6 or is it the driver? (Autocar) - 02-09-2008, 05:37 AM

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Yep just like what MB does with it's performance AMG cars.
and you can say the same about M division, different approach from the other two.

But something has happen (or maybe its just an exception), M3 is now a more comfortable car and rides better than C63. It has always been the opposite. Wonder what has happen
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Re: Poor M5 getting spanked by new RS6 or is it the driver? (Autocar) - 02-09-2008, 09:14 AM

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But something has happen (or maybe its just an exception), M3 is now a more comfortable car and rides better than C63. It has always been the opposite. Wonder what has happen
Well that's the fierce competetion my friend,everyone is trying to have a bigger piece of the cake
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Re: Poor M5 getting spanked by new RS6 or is it the driver? (Autocar) - 02-09-2008, 04:07 PM

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But something has happen (or maybe its just an exception), M3 is now a more comfortable car and rides better than C63. It has always been the opposite. Wonder what has happen
Probably a case of expectation vs reality. People were expecting the new M3 to be as hardcore as the old. This means pretty stiff suspension, even moreso with the new V8 which was everyone's focus of attention; the added power and torque means beefier components and thus more weight to control. Hardly anyone paid attention to the adaptive dampers, which seemed like it was merely an interesting option in the brochures while the V8 got all the limelight.
On the flip side, the C63 is much heavier than the new M3. And without adaptive dampers, that means more aggressive shock valving if you indeed want to beat the M3 in agility and handling. AMG made a bet on the damper settings against their expectation for the M3, and it appears to come up quite short.
Quite why the C63 weighs so much more is a mystery. Heavier components to deal with the torque is one explanation. But even the old C55 made much more torque than the E46 and still weighed much closer. If the explanation is down to the heavier components mandated by the engine's torque, then it highlights the disadvantage MB have with their engine choice philosophy when they aim to tackle the M3 head on.
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Re: Poor M5 getting spanked by new RS6 or is it the driver? (Autocar) - 02-09-2008, 06:25 PM

I would definitely take the RS6. IMO the M5 wagon just doesnt make sense. I mean seriously, who the hell takes an M5 "Station Wagon" down to the track except for journalists maybe? As an everyday practical wagon, the RS6 is definitely my choice and OMG, its just so pretty!
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