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2009 Cadillac CTS-V 550HP kills the Germans 7 5.51%
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Old 06-12-2009, 04:58 PM   #71
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I don't know. I think it just beat the M3 in a Car Magazine. Might have been Road and Track or Motor Trend.
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C63 beat M3 in Road and Track...
Y-E-A-H! When & where?
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Old 06-12-2009, 05:33 PM   #72
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Y-E-A-H! When & where?
Probably here.

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Probably here.

Haha, yes, that is the place

Of couse the C63 will have beaten the M3 in a few tests, I mean R&T rated the Mercedes engine a 20.0 while the M3 engine got 15.6... I do not agree at all but that will not win the test for BMW.
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Since this thread was last really active, we've had some tests of the CTS-V. C&D is one of the few mags that has acceleration figures past 120 mph, so I'll reference them:

0-100
CTS-V (manual): 9.7
C63: 9.2
E92 M3: 9.8
E90 M3: 9.8

100-140
CTS-V: 9.5
C63: 9.8
E92 M3: 10.6
E90 M3: 10.7

Looks like the C63 is pretty close past 100. I'd wager that once the CTS-V gets into 6th @ 161 mph, an unlimited C63 would probably pull harder to the end.

C&D had all 3 cars on the Lightning Lap at Virginia International Raceway, a medium-high speed track.
CTS-V: 3:04.0
E92 M3: 3:05.6
C63: 3:06.5
The CTS-V's minimum cornering speeds slotted between the BMW and AMG.
http://www.caranddriver.com/content/...08+Results.pdf

Car Magazine had good things to say about the CTS-V:
"Should you buy a CTS-V instead of an M5, XFR, CLS63 or RS6? That's an awkward decision to make, because the Cadillac is every bit as impressive as its opposition - it can be mentioned in the same breath on merit, rather than on some insulting slight like bang-for-your-buck.
There might not be many corners in Florida, but when we've found them the CTS-V has steered sharply, stayed flat and gripped tight. It's way better than I expected, with a top-notch interior, an awesome engine and the option of an auto-box..."

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Of couse the C63 will have beaten the M3 in a few tests, I mean R&T rated the Mercedes engine a 20.0 while the M3 engine got 15.6... I do not agree at all but that will not win the test for BMW.
Actually, if you awarded the M3 the same 20 points, it would have won (381.1 vs 380.9); the final tally was extremely close, and to Audi's credit, the RS4 was right up there.
Yeah, for every test where the C63 wins, there are probably 4-5 where the M3 wins.
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Actually, if you awarded the M3 the same 20 points, it would have won (381.1 vs 380.9); the final tally was extremely close, and to Audi's credit, the RS4 was right up there.
Yeah, for every test where the C63 wins, there are probably 4-5 where the M3 wins.
Oh, it had? Well, my point is that it is very much down to personal preferences on account of the testers. The reason why the M3 wins 4 out of 5 times is that its soft, or "hard to meassure" values appeal to a lof of reviewers, just as it does to a lot of driving enthusiasts (I don't know, maybe that is the reason the reviewers keep their jobs?).
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