Top Gear M3 vs C63 vs RS4 - Page 3

PC Valkyrie · **Re: Top Gear M3 vs C63 vs RS4 -** 12-24-2007, 04:40 PM

Almost 5 seconds faster???? Another convincing victory for the M3 over the C63. So now the M3 rides better than the C63 on bumpy everyday roads AND it totally kicks butt on a track. What else can you ask for? The M3 sedan will be awesome.

Sure, the C63 will win drag races on the road, but I've come to appreciate driving fast on a track more and more.

Tarek · **Re: Top Gear M3 vs C63 vs RS4 -** 12-24-2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PC Valkyrie

Almost 5 seconds faster???? Another convincing victory for the M3 over the C63. So now the M3 rides better than the C63 on bumpy everyday roads AND it totally kicks butt on a track. What else can you ask for? The M3 sedan will be awesome.

Sure, the C63 will win drag races on the road, but I've come to appreciate driving fast on a track more and more.

Well that was a small track,on a larger tracks the diff will be smaller no doubt and the M3 sedan won't be have that CF roof so losing the center of gravity advantage.I think it'll be closer with the M3 sedan than the coupe.

Centurion · **Re: Top Gear M3 vs C63 vs RS4 -** 12-24-2007, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dr Dunkel

This is very true! The M3 is the natural choice for the driver who seeks the most rewarding driving dynamics in the class. Maybe the C63 desperately needs the sport package to get its balance (and pace) but then it will even further compromise its on-the-road capabilities. It will for sure make it quicker on track but im guessing (judging from the first Evo review when the C63 was presented - the journalists got to drive a non sport package car on ordinary roads and a sport package car on track) that it then will border on the level of hardcore represented by the previous generation CSL and that will not be too popular with expecially English magazines like Evo who find ordinary road capabilities very important.

Edit: I did not mean to say the C63 was a bad car in any way, just that it - thank god - is different from the M3.

I'm doubtful that the performance pack can change the nature of the C63. The masculine steering wheel, aggressive DTM styling tells the story. MB wanted the C63 to be a small car with a big V8 and four wheels, simple and brutal without any advanced gizmos. Same old story with the Z4 and Boxster, one is wild and the other one precise Boxster. The reason why the C63 went around the track faster than the M3 is because it isn't able to get 100% of all the power coming from the meaty engine, down to the ground, much of it is lost in tire spin.
Neither of all three cars has a major advantage over the others. They are like peaches, apricot and plumbs. There's one for everyone.

warot · **Re: Top Gear M3 vs C63 vs RS4 -** 12-24-2007, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by atuv

Well that was a small track,on a larger tracks the diff will be smaller no doubt and the M3 sedan won't be have that CF roof so losing the center of gravity advantage.I think it'll be closer with the M3 sedan than the coupe.

The CF roof won't make that big of a difference. It sure as hell won't lose 5 seconds because of the non CF roof. But I agree, in a track like the Nurburgring, the difference should be less than that.

Tarek · **Re: Top Gear M3 vs C63 vs RS4 -** 12-24-2007, 05:50 PM

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The CF roof won't make that big of a difference. It sure as hell won't lose 5 seconds because of the non CF roof. But I agree, in a track like the Nurburgring, the difference should be less than that.

You are right,but u know things like having lighter wieght,coupe and CF roof does it's miracle around a track

dr Dunkel · **Re: Top Gear M3 vs C63 vs RS4 -** 12-24-2007, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Luwalira

Same old story with the Z4...

Pitty that one could not live up to the expectations the way the C63 does.

Sunny · **Re: Top Gear M3 vs C63 vs RS4 -** 12-24-2007, 06:25 PM

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Neither of all three cars has a major advantage over the others. They are like peaches, apricot and plumbs. There's one for everyone.

On the street, yes, but on track, looks like M3 has a big advantage over the other 2.

Tarek · **Re: Top Gear M3 vs C63 vs RS4 -** 12-24-2007, 06:37 PM

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On the street, yes, but on track, looks like M3 has a big advantage over the other 2.

Not every track

, besides the street is always where those cars will meet each other.

Sunny · **Re: Top Gear M3 vs C63 vs RS4 -** 12-24-2007, 06:48 PM

Every track they have been tested on till now that I know of, the M3 has been faster.

Centurion · **Re: Top Gear M3 vs C63 vs RS4 -** 12-24-2007, 06:52 PM

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On the street, yes, but on track, looks like M3 has a big advantage over the other 2.

Yeah as far as track driving goes the M3 is the best and probably most enjoyable to drive around a circuit since it it allow you to have 100% control over the way the car drives.