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Re: EVO: - M3 vs C63 AMG vs VX8R - 12-10-2007, 03:20 PM

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I remember when EVO first drove the new M3, they hated the steering feel, here they praise it.
What happen? did they get used to it or have BMW changed the steering feedback?
IMO that is because they had to point their finger at something to say that car isnīt without flaws.Thats all to it.I think they˙ve could selected some other thing other than steering feel on M3(IMO M3 is probably best car you can get in its segment) to dislike.
M3 is not easiest car to live with,that I admit..but,these cars(C63 and RS4 especially)are not meant to be driven by morons and ppl who do not appreciate its drive capabilities
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Re: EVO: - M3 vs C63 AMG vs VX8R - 12-10-2007, 03:36 PM

I have to say that i'm impressed with the VXR8..good job!

And EVO giving the C63 4.5 out 5 is IMO a victory for it as much as it's a victory for the M3.
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Re: EVO: - M3 vs C63 AMG vs VX8R - 12-10-2007, 03:42 PM

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I have to say that i'm impressed with the VXR8..good job!

And EVO giving the C63 4.5 out 5 is IMO a victory for it as much as it's a victory for the M3.
Giving the VXR8 4 stars out of 5 makes both M3 and C63 look like bad cars 5 stars is max, what if the max star were 7 stars, would the VXR8 still get 4 and M3 get 5 stars?
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Re: EVO: - M3 vs C63 AMG vs VX8R - 12-10-2007, 03:49 PM

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Most reviews so far suggest the M3 is still the more enjoyable drive.
...and that is the heart of BMW's game and the reason why the M3 is so much loved (and hated by some) - its not that it is the fastest, because there have often been others that were faster but seldom any that were more enjoyable and fun to drive.

Laptimes are something else, that has to do with efficiency and efficiency and entertainment are not always the same thing.
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Re: EVO: - M3 vs C63 AMG vs VX8R - 12-10-2007, 06:08 PM

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Haha, I ask you a question and you give me an essay

LoL PC-V , I want to see the reactions too if it happens

You really like to mention those "real life races" dont you

I'm sure there are many drivers out there that will beat me on a track.
I've seen Hondas taking out Rs4 and Volvo's beating bimmers. I've also seen M3's beating Porsches around a track. Nothing unusual.
I bet 335i drivers can beat a M3 as well around a track.
Sure you will be mad but thats life, sometimes you win sometimes you lose, its more important you are having fun while doing it.
Well, you obviously read my essay.....LOL

But your point about a "Honda" (I presume a Civic or Accord) taking out a RS4 is a poor example of what I'm referring to. Those cars clearly are lower performing cars in stock form compared to a RS4. If a Civic is able to beat a RS4, it must be either very modified, or there is a HUGE difference in driving ability. Nothing like comparing a C-AMG car to a M3 for people of comparable driving ability.

And yes, I like mentioning my "real life" track experiences because I've learned so much from them. I'm still a relative newbie at it, but now I'm able to see through the BS some fanboys have about their favourite brand or car and it's "performance" relative to other cars.
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Re: EVO: - M3 vs C63 AMG vs VX8R - 12-10-2007, 06:28 PM

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Since I found it on M3post, this is all info I have for the moment.

Have got back from trip away to find latest mag on doorstep. Am tired so can't write too much but a couple of quotes:

"Straight away the BMW is different to the Merc, with refreshing clarity in its steering"

"By a unanimous verdict, the M3 wins. The others are instantly more appealing; the VXR8 for its sound and oversteer availability, the C63 for its polish, ambience and monstrous pace. Yet while it takes longer to get to know the M3, when you do, it reveals a depth of ability that is more inspiring and rewarding. After a determined drive, it leaves you more satisfied, showing that really big power can only take you so far"

Overall Rating:
M3 5 stars
C63AMG 4.5 stars
VXR8 4 Stars

The second quote above sums it up for me. Having just had the cars first service I am now into a different world and a journey and EVO have hit the nail on the head - this car is just getting better and better as the journey continues.


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Nice! May be this is when I play the told you so card...

It is been the same deal every time a new M3 is out, initially they bitch and whine about how the car has gone soft and then a 180 degree turn around. I bet it will be the same the when next M3 is out. Anyway good to know EVO likes the M3 and puts it above the C63.
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Re: EVO: - M3 vs C63 AMG vs VX8R - 12-10-2007, 06:30 PM

or they learned to love it..
like you learn to love a new album by your fav artist..when it really isnt flawless..
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Re: EVO: - M3 vs C63 AMG vs VX8R - 12-10-2007, 06:31 PM

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...and that is the heart of BMW's game and the reason why the M3 is so much loved (and hated by some) - its not that it is the fastest, because there have often been others that were faster but seldom any that were more enjoyable and fun to drive.

Laptimes are something else, that has to do with efficiency and efficiency and entertainment are not always the same thing.

I completely agree with you about efficiency and entertainment potentially being different things, especially when you are driving alone on a twisty road.

But here is another thing I've noticed from my track days: as much as people like to deny it, there is a desire among all particpants to go as fast as they safely can, whether you're a novice, or veteran. And although track days are not "races" per say, it is VERY satisfying (as a driver) to keep up with a car (or be faster than that car) that is supposed to be faster than you on the track. It may be because of differences in driving ability/courage, or it may be the perceived differences between the cars is not quite as large when you're not a pro. It can be a blow to the ego if you drive a supposed "superior" car and get passed by a supposed "inferior" car......the entertainment value goes down, no matter how well your car "feels". Efficiency and being happy/satisfied seem to go hand in hand from my experience. Same with Autocross, etc. The goal really is to go as fast as you can safely at these track days or Autocross.

OK, now back to the regularly scheduled topic of this thread: M3 beats the C63 in a Evo magzaine comparison! And for the record, I'm not at all surprised by the verdict from Evo.

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Re: EVO: - M3 vs C63 AMG vs VX8R - 12-10-2007, 06:57 PM

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It is been the same deal every time a new M3 is out, initially they bitch and whine about how the car has gone soft and then a 180 degree turn around. I bet it will be the same the when next M3 is out. Anyway good to know EVO likes the M3 and puts it above the C63.
Yup, that seems to be the case.
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Re: EVO: - M3 vs C63 AMG vs VX8R - 12-10-2007, 07:15 PM

All this truly tells me is that AMG has stepped up it's game and ///M has delieverd what they said they would.
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