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I am provoking a war because I'm tempering the MB-fanboys spirits here by almost taking this second place as a victory? By pointing out that straight line performance by an AMG has always been the strong point and that it's exactly everything but straightline performance what makes an M3 an M3. If that is provoking a war, well than close the forum because it's full of warseeking members

There's no need to do this. Some people might take it the wrong way and then we have a flame war here. So please, no talk about Mercedes or Audi fans in this thread.


AMG has a history of producing cars that handle dating back to the 300SEL 6.3, which won at Spa in 1971 (yes, it actually handled...). The only thing is that BMW M's have always handled better. Straight-line performance is a side-effect of big displacement and powerful engines and it is helpful for one of the primary environments of AMG cars: the Autobahn.

it's a test from an M against an AMG against an RS model, I'm sorry but what do you expect. If this is not possible here to have such a disussion, it isn't possible anywhere. It's ok for pro-AMG guys to ask questions like what M3 fans will think of next to defend their cars and when someone actually responds, he gets flamed for starting a war?????




Yeah, that's a way of putting it, ignoring 0-60 has been the main focus from amg marketing since years and also the main strong point many AMG guys point out, even in this thread.

what is the argument here?
i cant keep track..

Several things to consider:
- it was a class victory and overall 2nd place
- Spa back then was a different track, the old version of the track was much longer and without the chicanes ( making it the fastest track on the F1 circus and a speed track unlike handling tracks like Monaco and the Ring witch had everything)
- it was a 24h endurance race, and the AMG's reliability played the decisive part, as both the BMW brigade, one of the Ford Capris and Chevy Camaro, all race favorites, dropped out all while being in front of the AMG SEL.

not forgetting it was bloody 1971

How many here has actually driven all three cars ?

Amazing how many get so upset becuase of carreviews. People are forgetting their own personal opinions. Make your own decision instead of arguing about some numbers or text on a piece of paper.
Noone can tell you what car is the best so that you have to decide on your own and not based on carjournalists opinions, they are humans too and they have no clue what car is right for you.

Take it from someone like me that driven both RS4 and the new M3, both are great cars in their own way and I cant see that C63 nor IS-F to be much worse. In the end it's the little things that decide what you buy.

Now, can we move on people.

This argument is so old and boring

which one?

There's nothing wrong with discussions with other fans etc. However one of your last sentences struck me a bit as "provocative". If I see an AMG or RS fan misbehaving, I'll warn them too. If I've been to harsh I'll apologize, but please keep it clean.




What are you trying to say? That AMG simply built big engines for the sake of power and didn't "care" about the acceleration aspect? Oh please...