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Old 10-09-2007, 07:08 AM   #1
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Edmunds: Cadillac CTS - Infiniti G35 - MB C350

If you ask me, whoever reviewed these cars was very biased towards the Cadillac. I don't doubt that it's a bad car, but the way he described the C-Class makes me wonder if he even drove it...

Even worse, this clown calls the C-Class "Boring..."...







With three new entry luxury models in the house it seemed only fitting to carve out a few hours and carve up the local roadways in back-to-back drives. With the help of fellow editors Erin Riches and James Riswick we headed into the Santa Monica Mountains with a Cadillac CTS, Infiniti G35 and Mercedes-Benz C350, all 2008 models with automatic transmissions and sport packages. While much of the route was on twisty roads, there was enough high-speed cruising on PCH to test the "luxury" side of this equation. Here's what I learned:

1. Cadillac CTS: This car has the best steering feel of the group. The G35's is quicker (faster ratio) but it's also heavier and, honestly, a bit too hyperactive. The Mercedes' is similar in feel and ratio, but it doesn't deliver the intuitive feedback that the CTS offers. Ride quality is softer than either, and it feels like the biggest and heaviest of the group -- probably because it is. It also has the best interior design in my opinion, though there are subtle aspects of its interior quality that could be better. In terms of audio/entertainment system -- both design, ergonomics and quality -- it nukes the others.

2. Infiniti G35: Within seconds of starting the G35 it's clear Infiniti was sick of hearing the same old "the 3 Series is still sportier" song from journalists. They've turned everything up on the G35 -- steering ratio, engine power, suspension tuning. It worked, as the car is the "sportiest" of this bunch. Problem is, it's not the one I want to drive. Like a hopped up '80s rock star, the G35 puts on quite a show -- but its a bit too high strung for a long-term, family-oriented relationship.

3. Mercedes-Benz C350: To quote my favorite non-incarcerated Simpson -- "BOOOORING!" The C-Class is fully prepared to meet the family. In fact, it's already moved into the spare bedroom and thrown out all the high-cholesterol food in the house. As usual, if you're looking for bank-vault serenity behind the wheel this one delivers. And if you put it into a four-wheel drift after the apex it will even cooperate...but something about the C-Class will make you feel immature rather than inspired. Ultimately there is nothing seriously wrong with the C350. There's also nothing seriously wrong with the Toyota Camry, and plenty of people buy both and live happily ever after...

Here's the tricky part: Despite being the "fattest" of this group, the Cadillac CTS was also the one I liked the best. Beyond having the best steering feel the CTS had the best combination of luxurious ride quality and sporty handling. It also had the roomiest interior and most appealing exhaust note.

Yes, the Inifniti will likely perform better in the slalom (we'll know soon enough...) and pull better lap times at a track, but its high-strung demeanor and the associated cost in steering response and overall ride quality is too high in my opinion. The Mercedes-Benz C-Class continues to deliver all those M-B traits that M-B fans have come to expect. I can't really fault the C350 (except for my continued annoyance with COMAND), but I can't get excited about it, either.

The Cadillac CTS seems to be the perfect balance between these two. Far more personality than the C350, far more comfort and luxury (and better steering feel) than the G35 -- while still proving capable and entertaining on fast sweepers. Cadillac needs to extend the seat bottom for better thigh support, and install paddle shifters to authenticate its sport sedan intentions. Otherwise I wouldn't change a thing. It's great to see Cadillac carving out it's own place in this competitive segment. They've stopped trying to be an American version of the German or Japanese entry-luxury sport sedan. Instead they've simply created an American entry-luxury sport sedan, and a damn good one.


Link: Karl on Cars - Entry Luxury Fun: Cadillac CTS - Infiniti G35 - MB C350
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Old 10-09-2007, 07:10 AM   #2
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Re: Edmunds: Cadillac CTS - Infiniti G35 - MB C350

HAHAHA this is one of the most retarded results ive seen..
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Old 10-09-2007, 07:15 AM   #3
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Re: Edmunds: Cadillac CTS - Infiniti G35 - MB C350

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HAHAHA this is one of the most retarded results ive seen..
I usually never complain about rankings: as long as they're justified.

In this case I somehow feel that the reviewer didn't really spend too much time inside the C-Class. He describes all the old Mercedes values without mentioning the new values and capabilities of the W204 C-Class. Every review has praised the C-Class for becoming sportier, even more comfortable and more serious. In this review, you read none of that. In fact he doesn't go into great detail about the C-Class. What he wrote, it's like he's describing the W203 C350. It's like this douchebag didn't even drive the car. Just looked at it and made up some lame review about it.

Sure, the C350 is short on power compared to the competition but that's not really so important to most buyers, who are still going to buy the car because it's a Benz and offers this and that aside from performance.

I don't know, this review feels a little fishy if you know what I mean.

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Re: Edmunds: Cadillac CTS - Infiniti G35 - MB C350

Didn't Cadillac say the new CTS is rival for the E-Class? Now it's being compared to the C-Class? Really is a question of Whisky Tango Foxtrot?
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Re: Edmunds: Cadillac CTS - Infiniti G35 - MB C350

Edmunds was always harsh on the new C,pisses me off
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Really? I recall they loved C63 and CLK63 Black Series?
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Re: Edmunds: Cadillac CTS - Infiniti G35 - MB C350

Cadillacs are nice but I don't think they'll be able to last more than 2 years. This is the problem generally with American cars. they age badly (not interms of design, tear and wear + mechanical parts). The japaneese cars are nice and all, might have developed alot, but it lacks the prestige of the germancs. In addition, although mechanically reliable, some parts are cheap. Example, my friend owned a Lexus for 2 years, now the bumbers are totally not matching the coloring of the car. Plastics faded, leather is badly worn although its not heavily used. I don't know but everything feels artificial. The leather, the wood .. etc
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As i remember they gave it a hard time hen testing the C350 and said lots of crap including that it is seriously underpowered,just how in the world a 272ho compact sedan is underpowered?! u must be driving 500+hp cars as ur daily ride to say that the C350 is underpowered
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Re: Edmunds: Cadillac CTS - Infiniti G35 - MB C350

I'm flabbergasted when people complain about COMAND. It's the easiest thing to use IME. In fact I wish the touch-shift was a function of COMAND, then I'd never take my hand off that dial. I don't even use the steering wheel volume controls much anymore. I doubt this chump even really tried to use it.
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Re: Edmunds: Cadillac CTS - Infiniti G35 - MB C350

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As i remember they gave it a hard time hen testing the C350 and said lots of crap including that it is seriously underpowered,just how in the world a 272ho compact sedan is underpowered?! u must be driving 500+hp cars as ur daily ride to say that the C350 is underpowered
They probably mean underpowered in comparison to the competition.

But this review goes to show that you can find a review to support any point of view.
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