German Car Zone
Home
Go Back   German Car Zone > Website Forums > Internal Combustion
Reload this Page [scans] AMS: Porsche 911 GT3 vs. BMW M3
Internal Combustion My favorite car vs. your favorite car go here.. Boys with big toys behave! ;)

Notices
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  (#11 (permalink)) Old
Bruce   Bruce is offline
Global Moderator
 
Bruce's Avatar
 
Posts: 11,215
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Vancouver, BC
Thanks: 7,428
Thanked 4,826 Times in 2,706 Posts
Bruce has a reputation beyond reputeBruce has a reputation beyond reputeBruce has a reputation beyond reputeBruce has a reputation beyond reputeBruce has a reputation beyond reputeBruce has a reputation beyond reputeBruce has a reputation beyond reputeBruce has a reputation beyond reputeBruce has a reputation beyond reputeBruce has a reputation beyond reputeBruce has a reputation beyond repute
Re: [scans] AMS: Porsche 911 GT3 vs. BMW M3 - 09-12-2007, 02:14 PM

Superb brakes on that M3.

Thanks for the scans ree.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
  (#12 (permalink)) Old
Fanatic
 
dr Dunkel's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,822
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Sweden
I drive: Front Wheel Drive
Thanks: 993
Thanked 435 Times in 286 Posts
dr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of lightdr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of lightdr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of lightdr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of lightdr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of lightdr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of lightdr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of lightdr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of light
Re: [scans] AMS: Porsche 911 GT3 vs. BMW M3 - 09-12-2007, 03:23 PM

If the parameters noted in the conclusion are important, of course the M3 wins... but then again that is not why you buy this kind of car and who in their right mind would chose the M3 over the GT3 if it was not their wallet (and their only car)?

No, the GT3 is for the CSL to handle (Price, ride, power, image).

Worth noticing: this M3 was not fitted with the optional r-tires. That option will do alot on the track time. For sure SA will test the car in an as fast configuration as possible, as always.

Edit:

Just had to check; Swedish AMS has now officially left their days of BMW favourism behind them. They gave the BMW a three star rating in the category "Comfort" and the GT3 got four! The conclusion on this point for the GT3, however, states that this is, as always, compared to others in the same class. Something tells me that the German editorial staff and their Swedish counterpart does not share the same view on what cars are to be put in a certain class.

Last edited by dr Dunkel; 09-12-2007 at 03:41 PM.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
  (#13 (permalink)) Old
Just_me   Just_me is offline
Me for President
 
Just_me's Avatar
 
Posts: 18,430
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Sweden
I drive: Rear Wheel Drive
Thanks: 1,371
Thanked 5,864 Times in 2,431 Posts
Just_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond repute
Re: [scans] AMS: Porsche 911 GT3 vs. BMW M3 - 09-12-2007, 03:45 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by dr Dunkel View Post

Just had to check; Swedish AMS has now officially left their days of BMW favourism behind them. They gave the BMW a three star rating in the category "Comfort" and the GT3 got four! The conclusion on this point for the GT3, however, states that this is, as always, compared to others in the same class. Something tells me that the German editorial staff and their Swedish counterpart does not share the same view on what cars are to be put in a certain class.
swedish AMS has always been accused of being BMW friendly and I wonder what those people says now.
did swedish ams borrow their test from german AMS?
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
  (#14 (permalink)) Old
chonkoa   chonkoa is offline
Fanatic
 
chonkoa's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,068
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Houston, Texas
I drive: 330i/X5 4.8i
Thanks: 313
Thanked 477 Times in 228 Posts
chonkoa is a jewel in the roughchonkoa is a jewel in the roughchonkoa is a jewel in the roughchonkoa is a jewel in the roughchonkoa is a jewel in the rough
Re: [scans] AMS: Porsche 911 GT3 vs. BMW M3 - 09-12-2007, 03:54 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by coolraoul View Post
Sure, I don't really see the point of comparing a GT3 with an M3... Not the same category. Maybe to see what BM and Porsche can do with 420hp...
The GT3 is 2 times more expensive than the M3.

More useful to compare M3 and Carrera/Carrera S imho.
I think that is the point of the comparison- to compare a pure sports car with the M3.
The test is intended to present the M3 performance when compared to a very sporty car, and see how much the difference is.
Yes the M3 will lose, the question is how badly- and the answer is not bad, not as bad as I had expected it to(2.9 seconds deficit around the course).
To me that is the message I can draw from this comparison test.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to chonkoa For This Useful Post:
dr Dunkel (09-12-2007)
  (#15 (permalink)) Old
Fanatic
 
dr Dunkel's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,822
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Sweden
I drive: Front Wheel Drive
Thanks: 993
Thanked 435 Times in 286 Posts
dr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of lightdr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of lightdr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of lightdr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of lightdr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of lightdr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of lightdr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of lightdr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of light
Re: [scans] AMS: Porsche 911 GT3 vs. BMW M3 - 09-12-2007, 03:55 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Just_me View Post
swedish AMS has always been accused of being BMW friendly and I wonder what those people saying that thinks now.
did swedish ams borrow their test from german AMS?
No, this test was performed using the white MJS 368.

I have too been having the feeling lately that AMS does not favour BMW at all. Before they might have turned a bit to easy towards Bayern - but not anymore...
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
  (#16 (permalink)) Old
Just_me   Just_me is offline
Me for President
 
Just_me's Avatar
 
Posts: 18,430
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Sweden
I drive: Rear Wheel Drive
Thanks: 1,371
Thanked 5,864 Times in 2,431 Posts
Just_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond repute
Re: [scans] AMS: Porsche 911 GT3 vs. BMW M3 - 09-12-2007, 03:57 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by dr Dunkel View Post
No, this test was performed using the white MJS 368.

I have too been having the feeling lately that AMS does not favour BMW at all. Before they might have turned a bit to easy towards Bayern - but not anymore...
I saw on their webpage that they are comparing the new M3 with the old M3. Have you read it?
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
  (#17 (permalink)) Old
Just_me   Just_me is offline
Me for President
 
Just_me's Avatar
 
Posts: 18,430
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Sweden
I drive: Rear Wheel Drive
Thanks: 1,371
Thanked 5,864 Times in 2,431 Posts
Just_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond repute
Re: [scans] AMS: Porsche 911 GT3 vs. BMW M3 - 09-12-2007, 04:01 PM

Regarding this german test they should have tested the M3 with 19" and the drivers package then both the GT3 and M3 would have the same tires (michelin pilot sport CUP).
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
  (#18 (permalink)) Old
Fanatic
 
dr Dunkel's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,822
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Sweden
I drive: Front Wheel Drive
Thanks: 993
Thanked 435 Times in 286 Posts
dr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of lightdr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of lightdr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of lightdr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of lightdr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of lightdr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of lightdr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of lightdr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of light
Re: [scans] AMS: Porsche 911 GT3 vs. BMW M3 - 09-12-2007, 04:15 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Just_me View Post
I saw on their webpage that they are comparing the new M3 with the old M3. Have you read it?
I have read it!

They conlclude:

"Is this new M3 the best ever? Its definitely the the most powerful and in every way a filthy competent and worked through car. If you on the other hand only crave the sound sensation the older car offers adequate performance at an attractive price."


A few citations:

"Both cars have wonderful driving characteristics and are fiercly well balanced."

"Suspension wise the new car is firm but not hopelessly so."

"How is it with the M trademark high reving engine? The old one is better but only acoustically..."

In short they are quite pleased with the new car, well a little more than pleased actually...
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to dr Dunkel For This Useful Post:
Just_me (09-12-2007), klier (09-12-2007)
  (#19 (permalink)) Old
Fanatic
 
dr Dunkel's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,822
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Sweden
I drive: Front Wheel Drive
Thanks: 993
Thanked 435 Times in 286 Posts
dr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of lightdr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of lightdr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of lightdr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of lightdr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of lightdr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of lightdr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of lightdr Dunkel is a glorious beacon of light
Re: [scans] AMS: Porsche 911 GT3 vs. BMW M3 - 09-12-2007, 04:18 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Just_me View Post
Regarding this german test they should have tested the M3 with 19" and the drivers package then both the GT3 and M3 would have the same tires (michelin pilot sport CUP).
That would have been ideal, yes. I believe that many will order their car with de-restricted speed limiter and r-tires.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
  (#20 (permalink)) Old
Guibo   Guibo is offline
Enthusiast
 
Posts: 474
Join Date: Jun 2007
Thanks: 743
Thanked 558 Times in 181 Posts
Guibo is a glorious beacon of lightGuibo is a glorious beacon of lightGuibo is a glorious beacon of lightGuibo is a glorious beacon of lightGuibo is a glorious beacon of lightGuibo is a glorious beacon of lightGuibo is a glorious beacon of lightGuibo is a glorious beacon of lightGuibo is a glorious beacon of lightGuibo is a glorious beacon of light
Re: [scans] AMS: Porsche 911 GT3 vs. BMW M3 - 09-12-2007, 08:37 PM

Interesting test, but I agree it's not very useful. Particularly so from the view of potential customers. It's also interesting how the points add up if you exclude ratings for space, functionality/practicality, traveling comfort, price, and cost of ownership: the M3 is still comfortably ahead. Which makes me think that dynamically the M3 is perhaps not so far below (very high) expectations that initial reports would make us believe?

This is also the 2nd test I've seen where the M3 is below its claimed weight (1615kg vs 1655; Autocar found 1625kg). I had been led to think the new M3 weighed more than the RS4...
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
911, ams, bmw, gt3, m3, porsche, scans
Search Cloud
2009 audi s3 2009 e class 2009 e-class 2009 ml350 2010 audi a6 2010 cayenne 2010 clk 2010 porsche cayenne 2010 range rover 2010 range rover sport 2010 rolls royce 2010 touareg 335i vs m3 a5 cab audi a4 b8 audi a5 cab audi a5 sportback audi a6 2010 audi a8 d4 audi a9 audi c7 audi d4 audi r15 audi rs3 audi rs4 b8 audi s3 2009 audi s4 b8 b8 a4 b8 rs4 bentley suv bmw 1m bmw e89 bmw e90 facelift bmw f01 bmw f10 bmw m3 touring bmw m7 bmw z4 e89 brunei cars bugatti owners bugatti veyron convertible c300 4matic carzone cayenne 2010 citroen c6 musketier clk 2010 colani ferrari e class 2009 e-class 2009 e89 z4 e90 lci ferrari colours fiat canada german car german car forum german car zone german cars germancar germancarzone germancarzone.com gl63 gl63 amg jetta facelift koenigsegg configurator m3 csl for sale m3 touring m3 vs 335i maybach coupe ml facelift ml350 2009 nissan skyline nude babes nurburgring webcam opel astra 2009 pagani zonda price porsche cayenne 2010 porsche gt1 range rover 2010 rs4 rs4 b8 scirocco r36 seat leon facelift sharpie lamborghini sultan brunei cars sultan of brunei sultan of brunei car sultan of brunei car collection sultan of brunei car list sultan of brunei cars sultan of brunei garage sultan of brunei's cars tiguan diesel touareg 2010 w212 weismann car weismann cars weismann roadster white r8 www.germancarzone.com z4 e89