German Car Zone
Home
Go Back   German Car Zone > Website Forums > Internal Combustion
Reload this Page Swedish AMS: BMW 330i vs Mercedes C280
Internal Combustion My favorite car vs. your favorite car go here.. Boys with big toys behave! ;)

Notices
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  (#131 (permalink)) Old
Fanatic
 
coolraoul's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,487
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: France
I drive: 1974 Mercedes-Benz 450 SLC
Thanks: 911
Thanked 1,111 Times in 643 Posts
coolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to all
Re: Swedish AMS: BMW 330i vs Mercedes C280 - 09-24-2007, 06:06 AM

I would take the C-Class, because the Mercedes feeling suits me better than the over-reacting and too sensitive steering at high speed of the Beemer. And I find the C-Class much more attractive designwise.

All the reports say that the C-Class is a bit less sporty (feeling, not numbers here) but much more comfortable, and thus offers a better mix between comfort and sport.
Of course if you like the Beemers, you don't really want a balanced mix, but a car that is more spory than comfortable (without becoming a Lotus), so you go for the Beemer.

To each his own. But everybody has to reckon that the W204 has become a real threaten to the Beemer.

Concerning the sales, I only saw that the C-Class outsells both 3-Series and A4 in Germany at the moment and that Mercedes sells more than they thought.

That is just the launch of the car so let's wait sometimes before saying it is a flop or that it has already lost the battle, ok?
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
  (#132 (permalink)) Old
Just_me   Just_me is offline
Me for President
 
Just_me's Avatar
 
Posts: 18,433
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Sweden
I drive: Rear Wheel Drive
Thanks: 1,371
Thanked 5,864 Times in 2,431 Posts
Just_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Swedish AMS: BMW 330i vs Mercedes C280 - 09-24-2007, 06:14 AM

I've driven both E90 and new C-class. Both works for active driving and for relaxing drive. Both fine vechicles but here in Sweden 335i is cheaper than a C350 and 335i has the power advantage so it would be my choice. C-class is a very good allrounder but so is E90 so once again it comes down to personal preferences.

PS My facelifted 1-serie is very stable on the road. Just put on the cruise control at 140km/h and you drive the car with no drama at all. No nervosity at all, I love it.

PS i know 3-series had some problems at high speed when it was introduced but the fault was on the runflats. Runflats has been improved during the years but still they are no replacement for "normal" tires..M- cars dont use runflats, thank god for that.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
  (#133 (permalink)) Old
Junior Member
 
tmehanna's Avatar
 
Posts: 11
Join Date: Jul 2007
Thanks: 1
Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts
tmehanna is on a distinguished road
Re: Swedish AMS: BMW 330i vs Mercedes C280 - 09-24-2007, 12:45 PM

Has anyone else noticed that AMS always seems able to meet BMW's official 0-100 times while the results for benzes are usually slower, sometimes over 1 second slower?
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
  (#134 (permalink)) Old
Just_me   Just_me is offline
Me for President
 
Just_me's Avatar
 
Posts: 18,433
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Sweden
I drive: Rear Wheel Drive
Thanks: 1,371
Thanked 5,864 Times in 2,431 Posts
Just_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Swedish AMS: BMW 330i vs Mercedes C280 - 09-24-2007, 12:48 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by tmehanna View Post
Has anyone else noticed that AMS always seems able to meet BMW's official 0-100 times while the results for benzes are usually slower, sometimes over 1 second slower?
are you speaking of swedish AMS or the german?
German AMS always get slower times than other german carmags, it least when they test BMW and many other brands.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
  (#135 (permalink)) Old
Fanatic
 
coolraoul's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,487
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: France
I drive: 1974 Mercedes-Benz 450 SLC
Thanks: 911
Thanked 1,111 Times in 643 Posts
coolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to all
Re: Swedish AMS: BMW 330i vs Mercedes C280 - 09-24-2007, 01:15 PM

Quote:
German AMS always get slower times
This is because they don't want to burn tyres, it is not environment-friendly...

They don't stupidly put the pedal to the metal, but make a green 0-100 time. It is a kind of hybrid-acceleration time, you see?
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
  (#136 (permalink)) Old
Junior Member
 
tmehanna's Avatar
 
Posts: 11
Join Date: Jul 2007
Thanks: 1
Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts
tmehanna is on a distinguished road
Re: Swedish AMS: BMW 330i vs Mercedes C280 - 09-24-2007, 01:30 PM

German AMS, if you do a quick search for AMS on the forum you will find a lot of test scans where BMWs perform within 0.1s of their official figures while benzes usually lag up to 1 sec behind. In this particular Swedish AMS review, C280 was 0.3s off vs 0.2s for the 330i
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
  (#137 (permalink)) Old
Just_me   Just_me is offline
Me for President
 
Just_me's Avatar
 
Posts: 18,433
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Sweden
I drive: Rear Wheel Drive
Thanks: 1,371
Thanked 5,864 Times in 2,431 Posts
Just_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond reputeJust_me has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Swedish AMS: BMW 330i vs Mercedes C280 - 09-24-2007, 01:33 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by tmehanna View Post
German AMS, if you do a quick search for AMS on the forum you will find a lot of test scans where BMWs perform within 0.1s of their official figures while benzes usually lag up to 1 sec behind. In this particular Swedish AMS review, C280 was 0.3s off vs 0.2s for the 330i
I tend to look beyond 100km/h, there the real differences are. Particulary 0-200km/h times.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
  (#138 (permalink)) Old
Fanatic
 
coolraoul's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,487
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: France
I drive: 1974 Mercedes-Benz 450 SLC
Thanks: 911
Thanked 1,111 Times in 643 Posts
coolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to all
Re: Swedish AMS: BMW 330i vs Mercedes C280 - 09-24-2007, 01:40 PM

Is it really that important to have 0.2sec more or less to go to 100km/h?

It depends on the temperature (cold mean poor traction for the tyres), are the tyres cold or on temperature, is the car new or already at its highest performance level, was it good used or not whereas the first 1500 kms, the reaction time of the driver, how fast he changes gears, the type and size of the tyres and wheels (big wheel means slower acceleration, large tyre mean better traction)...

Acceleration times are not so precise, just give you an idea of the performance of the car. It even can change from one car to another, even the same model, due to fabrication margin and how the car is used.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
  (#139 (permalink)) Old
Junior Member
 
tmehanna's Avatar
 
Posts: 11
Join Date: Jul 2007
Thanks: 1
Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts
tmehanna is on a distinguished road
Re: Swedish AMS: BMW 330i vs Mercedes C280 - 09-24-2007, 02:05 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by coolraoul View Post
Is it really that important to have 0.2sec more or less to go to 100km/h?

It depends on the temperature (cold mean poor traction for the tyres), are the tyres cold or on temperature, is the car new or already at its highest performance level, was it good used or not whereas the first 1500 kms, the reaction time of the driver, how fast he changes gears, the type and size of the tyres and wheels (big wheel means slower acceleration, large tyre mean better traction)...

Acceleration times are not so precise, just give you an idea of the performance of the car. It even can change from one car to another, even the same model, due to fabrication margin and how the car is used.
I was merely pointing out that German AMS consistently meet BMW's figures and consistently fail to meet Benz's. True that test conditions affect performance but they usually stay the same throughout the entire test where the cars also remain in the hands of the same drivers.

I also used to believe in manufacturing margins till a few drag races in identical cars (of different makes and models) proved me wrong. All other things equal, identical cars performed exactly the same, like they were tied together. Seems at this day and age manufacturing processes have eliminated those margins.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
  (#140 (permalink)) Old
Fanatic
 
coolraoul's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,487
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: France
I drive: 1974 Mercedes-Benz 450 SLC
Thanks: 911
Thanked 1,111 Times in 643 Posts
coolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to allcoolraoul is a name known to all
Re: Swedish AMS: BMW 330i vs Mercedes C280 - 09-24-2007, 02:32 PM

You want to say that AMS would be BM-biased? I don't think so, I sometimes read it, and sometime BM win, sometimes Mercedes...
I never give attention to acceleration times; 3 reasons:

1) I really really don't care
2) My Golf will outperforms every tested cars
3) If not, my fabulous driver skill allows me to win everytime;

last time I even passed a Citroën 2cv on a road. He could do nothing I was faster.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
330i, ams, bmw, c280, mercedes, swedish
Search Cloud
2009 audi s3 2009 e class 2009 e-class 2009 ml350 2010 audi a6 2010 cayenne 2010 clk 2010 porsche cayenne 2010 range rover 2010 range rover sport 2010 rolls royce 2010 touareg 335i vs m3 a5 cab audi a4 b8 audi a5 cab audi a5 sportback audi a6 2010 audi a8 d4 audi a9 audi c7 audi d4 audi r15 audi rs3 audi rs4 b8 audi s3 2009 audi s4 b8 b8 a4 b8 rs4 bentley suv bmw 1m bmw e89 bmw e90 facelift bmw f01 bmw f10 bmw m3 touring bmw m7 bmw z4 e89 brunei cars bugatti owners bugatti veyron convertible c300 4matic carzone cayenne 2010 citroen c6 musketier clk 2010 colani ferrari e class 2009 e-class 2009 e89 z4 e90 lci ferrari colours fiat canada german car german car forum german car zone german cars germancar germancarzone germancarzone.com gl63 gl63 amg jetta facelift koenigsegg configurator m3 csl for sale m3 touring m3 vs 335i maybach coupe ml facelift ml350 2009 nissan skyline nude babes nurburgring webcam opel astra 2009 pagani zonda price porsche cayenne 2010 porsche gt1 range rover 2010 rs4 rs4 b8 scirocco r36 seat leon facelift sharpie lamborghini sultan brunei cars sultan of brunei sultan of brunei car sultan of brunei car collection sultan of brunei car list sultan of brunei cars sultan of brunei garage sultan of brunei's cars tiguan diesel touareg 2010 w212 weismann car weismann cars weismann roadster white r8 www.germancarzone.com z4 e89

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On