| |||||||
| Home | Register | Search | Today's Posts | Mark Forums Read |
Controversial diffuser design deemed legal.This is a discussion on Controversial diffuser design deemed legal. within the Formula 1 forums, part of the Other Forums category; Originally Posted by martinbo You mean Ferrari or McLaren or BMW? Noooo neverrrr... A "simple racing mind" eh mike? No ... |
![]() |
| | LinkBack | Thread Tools |
| | #11 |
| Global Moderator ![]() ![]() Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Johannesburg Garage: MY09 Forester XT
MY09 WRX
Posts: 4,276
Thanks: 1,829
Thanked 2,818 Times in 1,292 Posts
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | A "simple racing mind" eh mike? No such thing exists because, like it or lump it, there is nothing simple about racing. Nothing. It's a complex, multi-multi-faceted discipline and the higher the stakes the greater the will and capability to bend the rulebook to the max in order to... WIN. Rule-bending and constant innovation are hallmarks of top-flight motorsport - especially Formula 1. Teams have been trying to push the physical, mechanical and legislative limits for as long as Dolly Parton has had implants. Remember the double-wheeled Tyrolls? Or the rapidly banned Brabham fan cars? What about Williams' amazing drive-by-wire adaptive suspension? Pushing all the limits in F1 is as real a prospect as death and taxes. Oh, and for another thing, try not to take too much away from the modern Formula 1 driver for, just as it is in any sport, these guys are a consistent stream of improvement on average. Just watch some of the in car footage - these guys are still very talented drivers. Just as their forebears were... But in the spirit of the "simplicity" being proffered here, here's the simplest answer: Formula 1 isn't simple.
__________________ If it has a Boxer Engine then it must be Fabulous! |
| | |
| Sponsored Links |
| | #12 |
| Contributor ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 8,489
Thanks: 245
Thanked 4,584 Times in 2,048 Posts
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | I'm sure the situation would be different if a gentleman's agreement was signed by teams. Now the teams only have direct obligation towards FIA , and not directly / legally to other teams. I'm sure eg. Ferrari would not dare to cheat, or brake a rule if the team was legally liable toward other teams. Right now a cheater only gives some extra money to FIA, and in reverse he gets the remission. Just like in pre-Lutheran times in Rom-Cath Church. ![]() Regulation - yes, but set by the teams, not some third party which is more interested into entertainment nature of the event than into the sport event itself. |
| | |
| | #13 | |
| Journeyman ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 4,607
Thanks: 1,541
Thanked 1,760 Times in 905 Posts
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | This was from before the Verdict. Quote:
__________________ Shonguiz philosophy is the Key of Suprematie. | |
| | |
| The Following User Says Thank You to shonguiz For This Useful Post: | martinbo (04-15-2009) |
| | #14 | |
| Contributor ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 8,489
Thanks: 245
Thanked 4,584 Times in 2,048 Posts
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Quote:
There are other racing series under FIA which can be used for pure driver duels. With standardized & unified cars. So, only driver & the team tactics decides the winner. While F1 should be about car / tech duel. I don't care if even monkeys are used to drive such cars. In the past winning a team Grand Prix was more prestigious than driver's Grand Prix victory. It was all about teams, cars, tech ... today it's all about stars - the drivers. Make a star from a driver, and market him till the (bitter?) end. I want a car / tech competition again. I don't care about overinflated drivers' egos much. I care about cars & motoring tech. That's why F1 and similar series matter to me ... It's like a Space Program - producing tech that's eventually trickled-down to every-day products. In F1 case - passenger cars. The automotive industry desperately needs such competition again. And FIA is obstructing that. Definitely not in the name of manufacturers & drivers (customers) - but in the name of Bernie's money - making a circus out of F1. Max is a corrupted little man . With some kinky sexual habits / preferences. ![]() Max should go! And Bernie's ex-wife Slavica should be naughty and sell that F1-running company to that company run by the teams. And than give Bernie the money.***** Why FIA is considering those controversial wing OK? Because some second-league teams are using them - having an advantage - and so making the F1 races more interesting. I'm sure if BMW, Ferrari, or McLaren introduced such wing FIA would instantly ban such solution. The smaller wings were introduced to make less turbulence, and make the overtaking easier. And now this is not a priority anymore - since the F1 circus is already interesting enough (with outsider Brown F1 team as a superpower)? That's some bad rule engineering by FIA. Or someone still favors Ross Brown - from the Ferrari times on ... ??? | |
| | |
| The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to EnI For This Useful Post: | coolraoul (04-16-2009), Imhotep Evil (04-15-2009) |
| | #15 |
| Global Moderator ![]() ![]() Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Johannesburg Garage: MY09 Forester XT
MY09 WRX
Posts: 4,276
Thanks: 1,829
Thanked 2,818 Times in 1,292 Posts
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | For the record, by no means am I advocating the legitimacy of the ground-effect diffusers on the Brawn, Toyota and Williams cars nor am I justifying the ruling coming out of the FIA. Brawn, the master spin-doctor, tactician and team-leader obviously spotted a loophole and, true to F1 form, has exploited this loophole. What I am saying is that: a) Formula 1 as a sport is not sustainable without the enforcement for very specific and very scientific rules and regulations b) such is the exponential progress of a high-tech sport like Formula 1 that it, forever and a day, will have to be stringently regulated, legislated and administered by an independent sporting association. One can't get away from the above. As for gimp-suit Max and megalomaniac Bernie? It's all about the money...
__________________ If it has a Boxer Engine then it must be Fabulous! |
| | |
| | #16 | ||
| Journeyman ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 4,817
Thanks: 724
Thanked 475 Times in 312 Posts
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Quote:
The ever more restrictive rules have killed the sport of motor-racing. Racing was created by the car manufacturers, for the car manufacturers, to develop and promote the automobile and auto industry. As to FIA, they have no true historic legit rights over Grand Prix racing. The great european gave FIA (more precisely AIACR as it was called before 1947) only the sanctioning of the Grand Prix formulae rules. So what happened. Quote:
| ||
| | |
| | #17 | |
| Journeyman ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 4,817
Thanks: 724
Thanked 475 Times in 312 Posts
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Quote:
True. Hands on. | |
| | |
| | #18 | |
| Journeyman ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 4,817
Thanks: 724
Thanked 475 Times in 312 Posts
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Here's what De Lorenzo from autoextremist had to say about the current situation of racing. Quote:
| |
| | |
| The Following User Says Thank You to Imhotep Evil For This Useful Post: | coolraoul (04-16-2009) |
| | #19 | |
| Executive ![]() ![]() Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: London.
Posts: 15,776
Thanks: 2,326
Thanked 4,472 Times in 2,242 Posts
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Quote:
The increase in regulations will eventually lead to Ferrari and Mclaren dropping out as the frame work doesn't allow them to exercise their expertise and resource. Rewind back to Brazil last year. Who were the people cheering? Hamilton and his team, and they got all the headlines while Ferrari who won the championship were all sobbing. A championship no longer mean anything without a WDC. It needs to be reversed or more balanced, but that can only be achieved by loosening the belt of regulations. | |
| | |
| | #20 |
| Trendsetter ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: California Garage: (B5) Audi A4 1.8TQ
Posts: 7,419
Thanks: 2,522
Thanked 1,482 Times in 1,034 Posts
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | I don't know if you guys read what Brawn said before the appeals. He basically said that last year when they were deciding on these things he brought up this issue and the bigger teams (ferrari, mclaren, etc) didn't really give a sh!t. They just ignored him, so he went ahead and developed this diffuser, and now that they are losing, the are crying like a little bitch. I think it's pretty pathetic that they had a chance to fix this a year back and didn't, but since someone else developed on their mistake, they are up in arms. This is more of an ego trip than anything else. EDIT: Link to article on page 3.
__________________ BMW M POWER!!! DON'T SCREW WITH IT!!! AKA "Naruto Raikkonen" - Thanks Imhotep. narutoraman.blogspot.com --->Updated Mar 3...check it! Last edited by NarutoRamen; 04-16-2009 at 03:47 AM. |
| | |
![]() |
| Bookmarks |
| Tags |
| controversial, deemed, design, diffuser, legal |
| Thread Tools | |
| |
Similar Threads | ||||
| Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
| BMW Group receives seven accolades at the red dot award | Just_me | The BMW Lounge | 21 | 03-27-2009 07:56 AM |
| List of Automotive Design Directors and Designers | bmer | Concepts & Designs | 6 | 03-27-2008 08:08 AM |
| CV of important BMW employees | Just_me | The BMW Lounge | 0 | 10-11-2007 07:35 AM |
| X5 gets design award at Frankfurt Autoshow | Just_me | X5 SAV | 19 | 09-12-2007 08:37 AM |
| Audi's Design Guy Looks Inward: Walter de Silva interview | EnI | The Audi Lounge | 0 | 01-08-2006 12:29 PM |