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Old 03-17-2009, 05:54 PM   #11
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It also works the opposite way. I don't want to see racing where two drivers at the top are passing each other victories. Massa and Kimi will be at advantage here while Alonson, Hamilton and anyone else contending for WDC will face an uphill struggle for the trophy. What would be best is to simply reward 1st place finish with 12 points. All that FIA are trying to does not make sense.

-They dramatically change the specs for the 2009 car but yet don't give the teams a chance to perfect their cars through in-season testing.

-New aerodynamics aid overtaking but you get slapped in the back for any bold attempts at overtaking, plus more narrow street circuits are being added to the calendar.

-Cost cutting is heavily promoted but FIA have yet to reduce the fee for hosting a GP.

Actually this system benefits heavily more to Lewis and Macca for 2 reasons:
  • McLaren can heavily lag behind for the first half of the season and still compete for the wcc if they manage to bring a top car again for the 2nd half of the season, and this would have been very difficult not to say impossible with the old system where the lost big points at the beginning always matter
  • Wether it's strictly due to his superior skills or because of his N°1 driver status, Lewis has a much bigger domination on his team mate than Kimi on Massa or Massa on Lewis and this will naturally enhance his chances in the new system.
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Old 03-17-2009, 06:46 PM   #12
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  • Wether it's strictly due to his superior skills or because of his N°1 driver status, Lewis has a much bigger domination on his team mate than Kimi on Massa or Massa on Lewis and this will naturally enhance his chances in the new system.
Dominating your own team doesn't guarantee race victory. If Kimi score pole position he sometimes have Massa right behind him blocking out main competitors like Massa. Not only that but if Ferrari see that one driver has a better chance at winning WDC than another one, then they will push for that particular driver which is what we saw at the end of the 2007 and 2008 season.

Your team mate is very much a frenemy. He'll race against you and if he can't beat you he'll be assisting you. On the other hand, last year might have been the last dominance of top team and this year's season can turn out to be more competitive than ever.

Many of the inferior teams like Honda, Williams and Renault have a huge advantage since they begun working very hard on the 2009 spec car well before Mclaren and Ferrari. With this week offering the last opportunity for testing Ferrari and Mclaren are not dominating as they used to, which makes highly concerned, especially for Mclaren. I do feel sorry for test drivers as well as they are now going to be made redundant. GP2 drivers suffer too since some of them used to take on roles as test drivers to bridge the gap between GP2 and F1. But now when in-season testing has been abolished and money is tight, some drivers might start to consider DTM.
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Old 03-17-2009, 11:33 PM   #13
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Hahaha... this makes me laugh (in a very sad way)... the FIA is really NOT running out of bad ideas to further destroy the sport.
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Old 03-18-2009, 05:28 PM   #14
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Actually this system benefits heavily more to Lewis and Macca for 2 reasons:
  • McLaren can heavily lag behind for the first half of the season and still compete for the wcc if they manage to bring a top car again for the 2nd half of the season, and this would have been very difficult not to say impossible with the old system where the lost big points at the beginning always matter
  • Wether it's strictly due to his superior skills or because of his N°1 driver status, Lewis has a much bigger domination on his team mate than Kimi on Massa or Massa on Lewis and this will naturally enhance his chances in the new system.
This presupposes that no one else's strategy will change. Let's say for the sake of argument that Kimi or Massa win the first three races and then Lewis shows up with a competitive car. Ferrari is going to think long and hard about getting behind one driver a lot earlier in the season than it had to before.
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Old 03-18-2009, 05:41 PM   #15
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FIA are really trying to stop Lewis from winning again!

Either that or they are just completly trying to screw the whole of F1 up
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FIA are really trying to stop Lewis from winning again!

Either that or they are just completly trying to screw the whole of F1 up
Well last year everybody said I was smoking crack when I made claims that there is a conspiracy against Mclaren. Given what we saw at the end of last season and the new point system I need to say no more.
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Well last year everybody said I was smoking crack when I made claims that there is a conspiracy against Mclaren. Given what we saw at the end of last season and the new point system I need to say no more.
Well we all know FIA are Ferrari biased
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The FIA's idea of the Championship winner based on who has the most number of wins is a BAD idea.

All championship-contending teams will now throw their resources to their respective lead-driver. This means that the official or unofficial No.2 driver are all screwed. For example, McLaren will now focus their efforts on Hamilton as he has the best chance of winning the Driver's Championship. Ferrari is going to decide whether to focus on Massa or Raikkonen in the first four races, they will have to make up their minds by the time they get to the Spanish GP at Barcelona. Renault will have a easy decision because Alonso is their undisputed No.1 driver.

All those who are not running for the championship will be relegated to supporting roles. Sorry boys, blame Max and Bernie for your misery.

Teams will revert to their bad old ways of giving wins to the lead-driver if they occupy the 1st and 2nd positions in order to maximise their chance of winning the championship. If they get dragged before the FIA tribunal for race-fixing, they will just have to say the new rules means this must be done. Or all supporting drivers will have to have the 'Eddie Irvine Bad Brake' clause inserted into their contracts.

Due to the restrictions on testing coming into force this year. I forsee that from the second half of the season, teams will make their No.2 (supporting) driver to carry out testing of parts for the No.1 driver during the Friday practice, the Saturday quali session, and even the Sunday race. Don't laugh, it will happen!!

Max Mosley is past his used-by date. Time for him to leave the altar gracefully. More tea?
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Old 03-19-2009, 07:59 AM   #19
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Sadly what you just wrote there might turn out to become reality. Once either driver has already bagged 2-3 wins, the team will begin to devote all their resources to him. This is incredibly bad for supporting drivers who might still want to challenge for race victory or finish in the top three at the end of the season.

BTW, has there been any mention of what happens if two drivers have equal number of victories, will points or number of second place finishes be the decider?

Most of all I feel sorry for the test drivers like Hulkenberg, Pedro and Grosjean who won't be getting any action during the season and didn't get to spend any time on the track during winter testing as the drivers were busy getting acquainted with the new hardware.
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