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Honda F1 SOLD! to a man named Slim - 12-04-2008, 05:40 PM

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Multiple sources are now reporting that Honda Racing F1 is being put up for sale and that if the sale is not completed by Christmas the team will be closed down. There is no confirmation from any Honda company officials, but teams across Europe are reporting that they have received a rush of applications from Honda F1 personnel in the course of the day.

The fact that the team is not responding to requests for statements is a bad sign, as if the rumours are not correct they would need to be killed as quickly as possible.

The official announcement of such a move is unlikely to come from the United Kingdom and thus the F1 world is waiting for Japan to wake up in around five or six hours to see if the news will be made official by the company.

Given the lack of credit available in the world at the moment it is not going to be easy for Honda to find a buyer, although big companies that might have an interest in running their own Formula 1 team do exist.

We will keep you informed as more news come to light.
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re: Honda Withdraws from F1; Looking to Sell Team by Christmas? - 12-04-2008, 05:42 PM

Honda to disband F1 team unless buyer is found

Published: December 4 2008 21:03 | Last updated: December 4 2008 21:03

Formula One’s financial crisis is expected to deepen on Thursday with an announcement from Honda that it will disband its team unless it can find a buyer in the next three months.

Ross Brawn, Honda’s team principal, broke the news to the 667-strong Honda staff at 6pm on Wednesday, prompting a flood of calls to other teams from staff looking for jobs. Other F1 teams were also informed of the Honda decision on Wednesday.

One potential customer could be Dubai International Capital, the emirate investment buy-out group. During this season, DIC pulled out of talks to purchase Honda’s sister team, Super Aguri.

Any buyer would take over a team whose engines would be supplied by Ferrari rather than using Honda’s V8 engines, which have proved hugely costly to manufacture.

The decision has huge implications for the future of motorsport’s elite competition, with fears that other teams wholly owned by car manufacturers may also be facing financial trouble. Particular focus will be on Toyota, Honda’s big Japanese rival which could use Honda’s decision to bow out itself.

With F1 teams already embroiled in talks about how to make savings, Max Mosley, president of the Fédération Internationale de l’Automobile, F1’s governing body, is expected to reinforce his argument for stringent cost-cutting measures, such as a cap on team budgets and the introduction of standard engines.

Honda’s decision comes after a season in which the team, based in Brackley in Northamptonshire, finished eighth in the world championships. The Japanese company poured £147m into the team, the highest costs of any team on the grid.

Although turnover rose 23 per cent, only a tiny amount is thought to have come from sponsorship. Honda has heavily promoted its Earth car, the only team to attempt to promote environmental sustainability.

The outcome of the FIA’s meeting in Monaco next week is now critical to F1’s future. Williams has suffered net losses of £50m in the past two years. But plans to introduce standard engines are opposed by Ferrari and Toyota.

Honda came into motor racing in the 1960s and supplied engines in the 1980s and 1990s to Williams and McLaren. Honda bought out BAR in 2005, but the team won only one grand prix, in Hungary in 2006.


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re: Honda Withdraws from F1; Looking to Sell Team by Christmas? - 12-04-2008, 05:45 PM

bmw to be next?
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re: Honda Withdraws from F1; Looking to Sell Team by Christmas? - 12-04-2008, 05:49 PM

Toyota most likely.

Honda will focus on Indy, ALMS and will go for the 24h of Le Mans.
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re: Honda Withdraws from F1; Looking to Sell Team by Christmas? - 12-05-2008, 03:01 AM

i doubt Toyota will exit. the team is improving gradually. they just need to find a good leader within the team, and they will be challenging for race wins soon.
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re: Honda Withdraws from F1; Looking to Sell Team by Christmas? - 12-05-2008, 03:29 AM

What a disaster for F1. Feel sorry for Ross, lost his job in a year, hope he goes back to Ferrari. The wait is over for Rubens, turns out everyone in Honda F1 won't get a job next year. Jenson must be shattered, he spent the entire year looking forward to 09, and now it won't happen at all. Bruno Senna and Lucas di Grassi must be pretty shocked as well.


The contest for the STR race seats will become even more intense.
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re: Honda Withdraws from F1; Looking to Sell Team by Christmas? - 12-05-2008, 05:59 AM

Very tragic. In these economic times finding a buyer will prove to be very difficult especially when no one was prepared to take on Supeer Aguri.
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re: Honda Withdraws from F1; Looking to Sell Team by Christmas? - 12-05-2008, 10:08 AM

Costs aren't so much the issue, though they're obviously an issue, ROI and the useful technology is.

And that went on the crapper with the ban on ground effects, then turbos then the active ride cars.

The engines became more expensive as they become more restricted. Ditto for aerodynamics. And the dozen suspension geometries/tweaks/redesigns needed after the ban of the advanced active suspensions.

Freedom equals (relatively) low costs, more restrictions mean just more money spent to overcome them, a lot of restrictions coupled to technological regression mean a lot of money spent to overcome them.

If FIA would have been smart that would have introduced a power-torque per weight and/or drag ratio/penalty system, along with a cheapo active aero solution.

Let's not forget the stupid ban on the recession proof tobacco advertising that some dumb ass politicians thought of.

Thus the emphasis would have been on better efficiency, or downright alternative propulsion systems, materials and electronics and Honda would have stayed as the money spent would have been useful.
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re: Honda Withdraws from F1; Looking to Sell Team by Christmas? - 12-05-2008, 10:40 AM

We, Honda Motor Co., Ltd., have come to the conclusion that we will withdraw from all Formula One activities, making 2008 the last season of participation.

This difficult decision has been made in light of the quickly deteriorating operating environment facing the global auto industry, brought on by the sub-prime problem in the United States, the deepening credit crisis and the sudden contraction of the world economies.

Honda must protect its core business activities and secure the long term as widespread uncertainties in the economies around the globe continue to mount. A recovery is expected to take some time.

Under these circumstances, Honda has taken swift and flexible measures to counter this sudden and expansive weakening of the marketplace in all business areas. However, in recognition of the need to optimize the allocation of management resources, including investment regarding the future, we have decided to withdraw from Formula One participation. We will enter into consultation with the associates of Honda Racing F1 Team and its engine supplier Honda Racing Development regarding the future of the two companies. This will include offering the team for sale.

In its third era of Formula One activities, Honda has been participating in Formula One races from the 2000 season, initially with BAR, by adopting a new format of jointly developing racing machines. Subsequently, in a move to meet the changing environment surrounding Formula One, we switched to running a 100% Honda-owned team commencing with the 2006 season.

Surmounting many challenges, the Honda Team achieved a Grand Prix victory in 2006, enabling Honda to receive overwhelming support from Honda fans around the world that were looking forward to greater success. It, therefore, has been an extremely difficult decision for us to come to this conclusion without having been able to fully meet the expectations of our fans.

By making the best of what we have learned during these times of economic turmoil, coupled with the spirit of challenge gained through active participation in racing, we intend to continue with our commitment in meeting new challenges.

Finally, we would like to take this opportunity to sincerely thank our fans and all those who have supported Honda's Formula One efforts, including everyone in the world of Formula One.

Thank you very much.

Takeo Fukui
President and CEO
Honda Motor Co., Ltd.
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Re: Honda Withdraws from F1; Looking to Sell Team by Christmas? - 12-05-2008, 11:46 AM

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Statement of Dr. Klaus Draeger, member of the BMW AG Board of Management responsible for development, regarding the withdrawal of Honda from Formula One.

"It is with regret that we learnt of Honda's decision. It has no bearing on BMW's involvement in Formula One.

Our F1 involvement is an integral part of the company strategy. There is no better platform than Formula One for demonstrating our brand values. BMW, moreover, makes targeted use of the Formula One project as a technology accelerator for series production.

With the BMW Sauber F1 Team, we have from the start focused on high efficiency and have achieved our successes with a compact and powerful team. The cost-benefit ratio is commensurately positive. The measures now proposed by FOTA for significant cost cuts starting as early as season 2009 are a further important contribution."
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