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you forget the 80's turbo era imhotep, though i wasn't born yet!
but i do miss the V10! F1 hasn't been the same since

The turbo were nice as qualification trim specials with way over 1000hp.
But in race trim they only reached 850 to 900hp at peak.
Then when FIA regulated fuel type, boost and so on, they droped to 700hp.

The V10s despite numerous bans on exotic fuels, exotic materials, magnetic valve gear, number of valves per cylinder and the 2 race rule continued to become ever more powerful peaking at 1000hp acording to Honda in late 2005.

Mosley said that V10 banned because we would have had 1100+ hp in race trim.

Too be honest, I don't mind the V8s. They're good for the sport. I just want them to change so that they don't have to save their engines. And we need stickier tires that allow passes on both the inside and outside. Like Suzuka 2005 for example. High speed overtakes on the oustide. Something that surely won't happen this year.

Not only that they're restricted in many ways, but the V8 architecture (and V12 for that matter) is inherently flawed against the V10 in super high reving territory.

The F1 V10 architecture is not something in between the V8 and V12, it is above the V8 and V12, it is superior.

Agreed about slicks, and not too mention active suspensions.

I did read something about that about V10s. Isn't it so that it vibrates less the higher it revs or something like that?

it's about the balance of the cylinders and the crankshaft
the V10 is prone to less vibration, less stress
enabling designers to push the limits far higher

WORD!

i see Kimi improving come mid season. we have some fantastic high speed tracks coming up soon next week. Ferrari have been traditionally strong there.

having said that, Massa has improved a lot this season. i think, even IF Kimster misses out on the title this season, he'll run away with the title next season.

People need to stop giving Raikkonen crap... He isnt doing badly if you think about it.. Look at Ralf For example of doing bad...

Think about the position he is in, trying to take the place of the greatest F1 driver there ever was... There is pressure, money, pride and change to deal with. Let the guy get his bearings... He'll be right.

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That is true. Whereas the V12 is bigger, heavier, thirstier and prone to friction and inertia problems.


The V10 reaches the critical area in vibration between 12000 to 14000 rpms, and from that moment on it's pretty much smooth reving.

The V8 reaches critical are at ~16000 rpms and never gets past it.
Therefor more revs on a V8 past 16k rpms means more reinforment and this means more weight, and even potential cooling/packaging problems. And let's not forget it's also more prone to mecanical failure.

That's why the 19k rpms of this year and the 20k+ of last year V8s were no lighter than the V10s.


So in the super high reving area, V8 is quite an unnatural choice, since it's severly flawed/retarded.

The V10 doesn't have the problems of the V8s or V12, and once Renault coupled it to their pneumatic valve gearing system, the critical 12k-14k zone left behind and with the supremacy of the V10 architecture over the V8 and V12 was only a mater of time.

In the early 1990s the increasingly sophisticated Renault V10, powering the Williams (and later also the Benetton cars), was outreving and outpowering (due to exotic Elf fuel also) even the V12s from Honda and Ferrari. [/off topic]


Now back on topic, I'm sure Kimi can get his act together.