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Carrera GT 605 hp (SAE) @ 8,000 rpm, 0-62 mph: 3.9 sec.
Top Track Speed: 205 mph.

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Know your and the car's limits - 04-26-2006, 04:51 PM


This CGT driver was lucky a few weeks ago when he was speeding on aroud along with a Murcielago and a Ferrari 456. In the proccess of the very exciting social activity that they were having the CGT driver drove the Porsche too hard through the bend and unfortunately(luckily(?)) ended up in the dirt.

For you who don't know Cars like the CGT and Enzo don't come with stability control which enables the driver to push the car who hard he wants. Unfortunately this means that he can also very easily loose control. Lots of CGT owners seem to be under the impressesion that their CGT is like a 911TT wich can be pushed to it's limits easily without the driver loosing control.

The Carrera GT may be the best handling car in the world but the question is can you handle it? If you can't you better be easy on the throttle while driving thorugh bends.

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Re: Know your and the car's limits - 04-26-2006, 04:58 PM

Such a shame. I've always heard that it takes quite a while to really get to know the CGT. If I could afford a car like that I'd get myself some racing driving lessons.
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Re: Know your and the car's limits - 04-26-2006, 05:02 PM

It probably takes atleast 30 hours of track driving before you can fully understand a car's limits. I can barely handle till car in computer games, imagine how good the sportsauto driver must be to be albe to drive this car in 7.32min around the ring.
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Re: Know your and the car's limits - 04-26-2006, 05:06 PM

I can't even imagine that sort of skill. Especially because the closest thing I've done to race driving is driving my dads V70 at a bit over 100km/h(dunno exactly but I was in 4th gear at 4000rpm) on a dirt road. Quite far from Nordschleife driving.
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Re: Know your and the car's limits - 04-26-2006, 05:16 PM

I'm sorry, this might come out as jealousy but its not. I can't stand the idiots who buy these cars. Not all of them are idiots but a lot of them are. For some reason these people think that just because they have a racing car, the somehow automatically turned into a racecar driver. Who the hell are they kidding, most of those guys are like in their 40s and aging everyday while they are losing their reflexes and other skills to drive. People should be more considerate about other's lives if they don't care about theirs...someone could've gotton hurt other then the driver.
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Re: Know your and the car's limits - 04-26-2006, 08:21 PM

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.....For you who don't know Cars like the CGT and Enzo don't come with stability control which enables the driver to push the car who hard he wants. Unfortunately this means that he can also very easily loose control. Lots of CGT owners seem to be under the impressesion that their CGT is like a 911TT wich can be pushed to it's limits easily without the driver loosing control. .....
I agree with this but would like to add that the older Porsches also did not have the safeguards the new "water pumpers" have. The older "air puffers", like my 930 (can you tell I've spent a lot of time at Rennlist forums lately) certainly can be extremely dangerous if not driven with caution. I learnt that pretty quick after switching from luxury to a air puffing little monster. To drive a raw sportscar is very different from driving a nice modern luxury car. It is so different that my first goal as an owner and driver of these cars is to get on a driving class at the closest venue to me: the Virginia International Raceway at Danville, about an hour from where I live in NC. After all my number one goal is to stay alive. Apparently they have three different levels of classes, expert, intermediate and novice. I have no trouble admitting I am a novice even though I've been driving since I turned 18. I've just never driven with cars like this. But at the same time I must say that I couldn't be happier with my choice of moving from luxury to raw sportscar....change is good and I certainly am enjoying my car like I've never done with any of my previous cars.
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Re: Know your and the car's limits - 04-28-2006, 06:21 AM

i think it's more depended on the driver himself. Each driver should be aware of his and his car's capabilities and always drive in the limits. As for the racing-driving in public roads, i think it's not that bad, but only if there are no cars on the road, and you have done it again/ have experience.

Personally, i don't feel safe when speeding on curvy roads, and i never drive over the limit there (that non-safe feeling is a characteristic of Volvo's soft suspension), nor i feel safe in highway when i really speed, io mean over 180 km/h, and i am not comfortable if i mantain that speed for more than a couple of minutes.
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Re: Know your and the car's limits - 04-28-2006, 07:35 AM

Losing control of a car can happen to the best and the worst of us as drivers. Who knows? The might've been a particularly good driver, well versed in driving at the limit. It's such a fine line.

I reckon if it was me then, after a time, I'd also put my CGT for some field ploughing. There are two types of fast drivers, those that have lost it and those that a yet to lose it. I fall under the category of both.

I never criticise any member of the public for losing contol of their car - after all, it's all too easy.
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Re: Know your and the car's limits - 04-28-2006, 10:15 AM

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I agree with this but would like to add that the older Porsches also did not have the safeguards the new "water pumpers" have. The older "air puffers", like my 930 (can you tell I've spent a lot of time at Rennlist forums lately) certainly can be extremely dangerous if not driven with caution. I learnt that pretty quick after switching from luxury to a air puffing little monster. To drive a raw sportscar is very different from driving a nice modern luxury car.
Well the 930/4/5 were in several ways alot better than the 901, witch were basicaly Germany's version of death on 4 wheels if the rear got loose.
And it was very easy to do so.
I've even heard of the "old Porsche syndrome" being said a car.
The 1964 901 was a lame car in many ways, the 1967 S rectified some of those flaws.
But remeber that the 911 was suposed to die somewhere in the 1970's.
Safety regulation, enviromental regulation, and others things made Porsche decide to replace the 911 with the 928.
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Re: Know your and the car's limits - 04-28-2006, 09:39 PM

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Well the 930/4/5 were in several ways alot better than the 901, witch were basicaly Germany's version of death on 4 wheels if the rear got loose. And it was very easy to do so.......
You are absolutely right. And even so, I feel that the 930 is like a motorcycle on 4 wheels....I am rapidly gaining an understanding on how such a large group of people are hooked on these cars, and feel lukewarm about the later models (post 993).
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