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| Re: AMS: Mercedes C350 Avantgarde Review -
02-02-2007, 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Mercedes If my memory serves me correctly, I'm pretty sure the door thunk in the old Benzes was also one of the engineered aspects of the vehicle. An aspect that got overlooked in the cost cutting era of the 90's. Even if it wasn't, and was actually just an inherent characteristic, the need to engineer it into new Benzes probably doesn't arise from the lack of structural integrity or quality, but from the use of lightweight materials?  | I'm not sure either, but I don't ever remember them having to specifically concentrate on it either. If it was engineered in they never let on about it. I would guess it has something to do with thinner sheetmetal or something. We need to get together and saw some old Benzes in half to see!
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| Re: AMS: Mercedes C350 Avantgarde Review -
02-02-2007, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Just_me I kinda hate when a dude from the carcompany drive the car reviews. Same thing happen with R8. It annoys me
To bad he didnt mention the steering wheel ; i would love to hear about the reasons behind the design. | Same here. I was hoping that AMS drove the new C-Class. I guess they were lucky enough to have even been invited along in the first place. No other car magazine in Germany has a "close review" on the car yet.  | | | | | The Photo Phanatic
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| Re: AMS: Mercedes C350 Avantgarde Review -
02-02-2007, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by PHYBENZ Wimmer, a couple of questions! First though, THANK YOU for scanning that! What does the caption say where the person is pealing back the fabric under the hood, or maybe it doesn't say anything? | Anytime. "Softer, more deformable materials underneath the bonnet improve pedestrian safety."  | | | | | The Photo Phanatic
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| Re: AMS: Mercedes C350 Avantgarde Review -
02-02-2007, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Merc1 The only thing I didn't like is that they said that MB worked on duplicating the sound of the older MB's door closing. In the past that was just a byproduct of them building a vault-strong car.
M | It does have psycological effects, positive in this case. It can only benefit the car because buyers and traditional Mercedes customers will like that sound. You know why.  | | | | | The Photo Phanatic
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| Re: AMS: Mercedes C350 Avantgarde Review -
02-02-2007, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Mercedes If my memory serves me correctly, I'm pretty sure the door thunk in the old Benzes was also one of the engineered aspects of the vehicle. An aspect that got overlooked in the cost cutting era of the 90's. Even if it wasn't, and was actually just an inherent characteristic, the need to engineer it into new Benzes probably doesn't arise from the lack of structural integrity or quality, but from the use of lightweight materials?  | In the old days, the best way to insure occupant safety was to use heavy steel and make the doors and surrounding areas as "tough as possible". This naturally adds weight and this was the reason for the "tank-like thud sound".
This sound is present on my '85 300SE and my dad's '89 500SL but our E320 has a more "toned down" version of this sound. The doors of the E320 also feel much lighter in comparison to the two 1980s Benzes we have.  | | | | | The Photo Phanatic
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| Re: AMS: Mercedes C350 Avantgarde Review -
02-02-2007, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Merc1
Lexus tried their best to duplicate it but still haven't. I laugh whenever I read that they tried to duplicate the sound of expensive furniture or something like that, but just like all Japanese cars the sound of the doors closing is very ordinary at best. One reason I don't respect Lexus is because of their wannabe status. Why not make the ultimate car to your own thinking as to what a car should be, not what Mercedes or nor BMW thinks. They're still the ultimate in wannabe wares. That said I do like some of their cars, but can't stand what the brand stands for. Strange I know.
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My problem with Lexus comes mainly from some of the Lexus fanboys. Sometimes I read the Lexus forums just to see what their opinion is on things and those people really think that Lexus is on the same level with the Germans and Europeans in terms of prestige. Yeah right.
Look at the history of Mercedes, BMW, Jaguar, Aston Martin etc. Heck, I'm willing to claim that Fiat, Citroën, Renault etc. have more prestige than Lexus because they've invented and innovated and have made some awesome cars, had motorsport success etc. Lexus has none of that.
Awhile ago, Lexus won some race at NASCAR and immediately some of the Lexus fanboys were claiming that now Lexus should get some "respect" because of this. Here's what I think. Anyone can win a race, but it takes multiple race victories to win a championship, and that's what counts. Also, NASCAR to me is nothing special. Bunch of cars driving around in a cirlce, pretty boring. Formula One, Carrera Panamericana Mexicó etc., those are the races that make me respect a manufacturer.
I can respect their products, because there's no doubt that they're excellent cars, but some of their buyers and fans just annoy me with their BS.  | | | | | The Following User Says Thank You to cawimmer430 For This Useful Post: | | | Junior Member
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| Re: AMS: Mercedes C350 Avantgarde Review -
02-02-2007, 09:10 AM
Thanks for the scans!!!
This car is a great improvement of the old model but i'm not sure for some of the line of the new C Class | | | | | Aficionado
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| Re: AMS: Mercedes C350 Avantgarde Review -
02-02-2007, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by cawimmer430 My problem with Lexus comes mainly from some of the Lexus fanboys. Sometimes I read the Lexus forums just to see what their opinion is on things and those people really think that Lexus is on the same level with the Germans and Europeans in terms of prestige. Yeah right.
Look at the history of Mercedes, BMW, Jaguar, Aston Martin etc. Heck, I'm willing to claim that Fiat, Citroën, Renault etc. have more prestige than Lexus because they've invented and innovated and have made some awesome cars, had motorsport success etc. Lexus has none of that.
Awhile ago, Lexus won some race at NASCAR and immediately some of the Lexus fanboys were claiming that now Lexus should get some "respect" because of this. Here's what I think. Anyone can win a race, but it takes multiple race victories to win a championship, and that's what counts. Also, NASCAR to me is nothing special. Bunch of cars driving around in a cirlce, pretty boring. Formula One, Carrera Panamericana Mexicó etc., those are the races that make me respect a manufacturer.
I can respect their products, because there's no doubt that they're excellent cars, but some of their buyers and fans just annoy me with their BS.  |
That would be Can-AM not the North American Spec Crash Advertising Resletainment.
Both Porsche and BMW won the 24H of Daytona in its hey days in the 70s.
Also you forgot to mention Le Mans, Mille Miglia, Targa Florio, old Monte Carlo Rally, old RAC Rally, Spa, Nurburgring. | | | | | The Photo Phanatic
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| Re: AMS: Mercedes C350 Avantgarde Review -
02-02-2007, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Imhotep Evil Also you forgot to mention Le Mans, Mille Miglia, Targa Florio, old Monte Carlo Rally, old RAC Rally, Spa, Nurburgring. | Thank you for reminding me of the other races that Lexus does not participate in and yet thinks of itself as being on the same prestige level as the Europeans - or even the Americans.  | | | | | Enthusiast
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| Door closing sound -
02-16-2007, 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Mercedes If my memory serves me correctly, I'm pretty sure the door thunk in the old Benzes was also one of the engineered aspects of the vehicle. An aspect that got overlooked in the cost cutting era of the 90's. Even if it wasn't, and was actually just an inherent characteristic, the need to engineer it into new Benzes probably doesn't arise from the lack of structural integrity or quality, but from the use of lightweight materials?  | That's good news since both front doors in my '01 C320 rattle when closed which is the glass slapping back and forth. They are all that way and the odd thing is the rear doors sound normal and solid.
Another cost cutter was eliminating the polyfilm sheet in the door. As a result, a small breeze flows out around the seat adjustment controls right onto my left hand on the wheel plus out through the horizontal parting line of the door panel onto my left hip. In cold weather, this is annoying. | | | | |