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AdvEvo · 08-07-2009, 09:17 AM

thank you for youre post.

Turbo at bmw are certainly not the best engines. And do not try to use it on track.

E36 325i engine you can drive it all day on track.
E36 M3 engine 3.0 is the best you can drive it all day on track.
130i 3.0 engine you can drive it all day on track
M3 V8 engine the same.

Turbo s are breaking down. Give problems. What the hell do i want with an engine what will break down and give problems. AND LAG

chonkoa · 08-07-2009, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Just_me

Most common remarks about X6M:

- Disappointing engine sound
- Feels like normal X6 to drive
- Cayenne, still the sportiest SUV
- Reviewers left the X6M somewhat disappointed and wanting a different driving experience after they return the car.

X6M share same components with normal X6 (engine, suspension) and is equipped with runflats. M3/M5 has always had their own unique engine and more advanced suspension and a unique driving experience. X6M has failed in the most important areas, its soulless car.

Sounds like emotional remarks.

martinbo · 08-07-2009, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Sayyaaf

one more thing, I have been suffering from BMWs 35i engine. Too many mechanical problems, I got power reduced message today which will lead to the 4th dealer visit for the same damn issue.

air duct replaced
some hoses for the boost control (if I got it correctly)
fuel pump issues
overheating
... etc

It is not my car only, almost all newly turbo'd BMWs have the same exact issues and there is nothing to do about it ..

In this hot climate, I'd only go for NA at the moment. no turbo would live this weather.

just something worth mentioning, cayenne TT has a fuel pump issue but that is world wide even in colder europe.

You forgot to mention limp-mode too.

dr Dunkel · 08-07-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by chonkoa

Sounds like emotional remarks.

Cars are very much about emotions, just as they are about functionality.

martinbo · 08-07-2009, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by chonkoa

Sounds like emotional remarks.

Or an objective opinion based on the comments made by influential motoring publications. It all depends on your point of view.

Yes, I too have read the X6M article in EVO and I do remember them saying that the V8 sounds anodyne and like a four cylinder! Worrying. And, to add to that, the handling revealed none of the "miraculous" improvements that M engineers are usually able to achieve from previous, traditional M cars such as the M3 and M5.

The Artist · 08-07-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by klier

You and I see beauty in a completely different way. It's no point argueing.
You did however manage to find the ugliest pic in the worst color and angle, so bravo. I could counter with many awesome shots, but I will not. Motorbike discussion has to end right here

Lol man i know you wont belive me...
But everytime you google this bike..you get pics of the race bike..
And i wanted to show the 2 diffrent stupid looking headlights..
And this was really the ONLY head on picture..and that was the only colour..

But yes..it would be kickass to see the 4 wheel cousin of that bike..
But with matching headlights for gods sake!!!

dr Dunkel · 08-07-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by The Artist

But yes..it would be kickass to see the 4 wheel cousin of that bike..
But with matching headlights for gods sake!!!

Ahh, but the odd circular shape here and there is a trademark of the range topping vehicles:

bum-man · 08-07-2009, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Sayyaaf

one more thing, I have been suffering from BMWs 35i engine. Too many mechanical problems, I got power reduced message today which will lead to the 4th dealer visit for the same damn issue.

air duct replaced
some hoses for the boost control (if I got it correctly)
fuel pump issues
overheating
... etc

It is not my car only, almost all newly turbo'd BMWs have the same exact issues and there is nothing to do about it ..

In this hot climate, I'd only go for NA at the moment. no turbo would live this weather.

just something worth mentioning, cayenne TT has a fuel pump issue but that is world wide even in colder europe.

I can't help but think this is why they updated the engine so quickly with the new turbo. Perhaps an inherent problem they cannot get around, demand for the new engine.

martinbo · 08-07-2009, 11:55 AM

^ Yes, you're referring to the sudden move from a twin-turbo layout to a single "twin-power" twin-scroll unit? Just like that. Hmmm... suspect, I admit.

The Artist · 08-07-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by HighestOfHigh

Why is that? Even though I am not a fan of BMW's M division, I still think there future plans are looking better and better.

No M6 CSL no M3 CSL..
No M1.. No super car..
No Z4 M
No GT.. not even a M7 which would be better..

Instead 2 SUV´s .. and i guess the next project is the M5..and after that M3..

thank god those 2 remain.. and i know ile get flamed for this..but somehow i feel the new M3 isnt the MIGHTY bitchslap to the competition the previous one was..
It seem abit tamer.. in both looks and rest..

On top of that i dont see the next M5 having a new engine made from scratch..
I think they will evolve the V10 or the V8...

So all that adds up to a worrying future..

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