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I can cope with BMW going Turbo BUT if they start to just upgrade a current engine and use the same suspension from the normal version but slighly stiffer (just like they did with X6M) then its really really bad.
A M need its own unique engine, just like the past, and it need to be built with passion and have a 'soul'.
I also dislike if M is becoming what AMG used to be, meaning comfort over sport and its sounds like this is the route BMW are going. Next generation M5 is very crucial for me.

Future: worrying and despair

One thing is for certain...BMW has to invest some of the extra money from their F1 depature to satisfy M customers needs....Scott & EnI has to read and listen...HARDCORE and REAL and ORIGINAL ///M is what your customers want BMW!!! Are you listening???

There will not be any more of the gloriuos old M:s, this has ended. We will have to get used to it. The cars will not be as good as they were just a couple of years ago or even today. Unless, of course, the US and other big markets start understanding that less is more. Then we will have a positive trend in the car industry again.

Why is that? Even though I am not a fan of BMW's M division, I still think there future plans are looking better and better.

I'm sure the next M5 will be M's masterpiece. Also, I am sure BMW is capable of creating a car with comfort, but has the same sport capabilities of current and previous M's. The X6 M was a big suprise, but I highly doubt it has hurt M's overall agenda.

No, I don't think it has hurt the image of M that much, as long as none of the characteristics and implementations are carried over to the real M-cars. As cash cows, both the X5"M" and the X6"M" are brilliant, as benchmarks for future M-cars, they are terrible.

Isn't the M5 considered M's "flagship" and benchmark? Has the X6 or X5 M been rated poorly on ride quality and handling? Did I miss something?

klier i am not only into race cars

i have e90 m3 and it is een very good car. Happy with it. I know it s not an 911 GT3 but i don t want that. The engine is a masterpiece. No 6 cil biturbo can match that. Even if it had 800 nm torque. Thru bmw ///M buyer s are not looking for torque we are buying M cars for high rpm.

I like fast sedans hatchbacks coupe s which i can use daily. That s why i drive bmw.

I have enjoyed my e46 m3. My e36 M3 and even my non //M car 130i.

I am also concerned about the future of bmw and M. My mean concern is turbo. The 135i lot s of you find it a very good engine. But this engine has nothing to do with ///M motorsport and the same counts for X5 and X6 M.

Turbo s are nice for daily driving the torque is nice. But it won t give you the sensation of 8500rpm atmo engine. That will set youre hair on fire. That s how an engine should work. A turbo engine won t give it to you that way.

So i am really really concerned about what s happening to ///M will it definiatly loose it s motorsport hart. I am not buying an 6 cil biturbo //M3. I keep my v8 as long as possible and enjoy as long as i can. Let s just hope they make us high rev 1 serie s ///M just for us enthusiasts and put the turbo s in cars were it doesn t matter like big 5 and 7 series .

Most common remarks about X6M:

- Disappointing engine sound
- Feels like normal X6 to drive
- Cayenne, still the sportiest SUV
- Reviewers left the X6M somewhat disappointed and wanting a different driving experience after they return the car.

X6M share same components with normal X6 (engine, suspension) and is equipped with runflats. M3/M5 has always had their own unique engine and more advanced suspension and a unique driving experience. X6M has failed in the most important areas, its soulless car.

Thanks! That is a reasonable reason then.

one more thing, I have been suffering from BMWs 35i engine. Too many mechanical problems, I got power reduced message today which will lead to the 4th dealer visit for the same damn issue.

air duct replaced
some hoses for the boost control (if I got it correctly)
fuel pump issues
overheating
... etc

It is not my car only, almost all newly turbo'd BMWs have the same exact issues and there is nothing to do about it ..

In this hot climate, I'd only go for NA at the moment. no turbo would live this weather.

just something worth mentioning, cayenne TT has a fuel pump issue but that is world wide even in colder europe.