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^ hey, at least it lasted a lot longer than the MB = reliable fantasy
BMW is changing because of external factors, and MB did it all to themselves

It´s a point of view. I think that Mercedes does a type of engines, and BMW another, and only one person that have bought both cars know this.

Reading BMW news and post, or rumors, all talk about the same, and what I read is closer to the Mercedes engine phylosophy than to the BMW one.

More torque? Moro comfort? That´s for Mercs, not BMWs!!

I agree! There's nothing I hate more than people who criticise Scott. I wish people would stop having a go just because he gets a few things wrong. Many people on here hang on his every word and I wouldn't have it any other way to be honest.

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I really aprecciate Scott's contribution to this forum.

I say the more turbos the better. Hell I wish there was a federal law requiring at least one turbo in every vehicle made. Bring 'em on boys, bring 'em on.

In what world is this? MB being reliable lasted for years and years before, a hell of a lot longer than we've had to read this BMW is pure nonsense, yet a Mercedes is back to being reliable now. BMW is changing to something that you and others said they'd "never" do, has nothing to do with Mercedes. Again, another feeble attempt to dodge the issue.


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Turbos are not bad. I can have fun with a turbo Volvo, so imagine what can a turbo engine by M deliver!

Though, from my concern NA engines are way cooler. You feel like you have total control.

Turbos are good, no denying. Awesome motors, some of them.
But an high-revving N/A engine is simply better. Better.

I find BMW extremely shy these times. No supercar, quickly cancelling the CS, now ditching M's whole philosophy...

Is it the right strategy to face both financiel and environmental crisis? Maybe. But from a fan PoV, it's extremely disappointing. Rather than fighting the situation, trying to find solutions, BMW seems to go backwards, to act extra-carefully and, in a sense, without passion.

They have to make cars to win money. They make them.

- Environment problems? let's ditch the big and sporty motors.
- Financial problems? let's ditch the big models.

Why not fighting these problems? Why not putting all they have to find suitable solutions, rather than compromises? Is that what BMW accustomed us to?

Like the Joker said... BMW, what happened? did...did your balls drop off?

I have bmw E90 M3. That engine is a master piece revving to 8400 rpm throttle response which is just fantastic. It feels like youre foot is connected to the engine. Only the damn car is to big and heavy.

I have had my share of turbo s evo s subaru s 120d and 135i. Driven all these on tracks also. Oil temps going thru the roof turbo intercooler hoses fel off, Turbo s broke down. No throttle response like High rev M engines.

Turbo engine s are more complexe, intercooler more hoses turbo s etc more things which can go wrong.

Look at circuits all around the globe. E36 and E46 M engine is zo common used as race engines. All those racecar builders / drivers must they go turbo which are more prone to failing on track?

My opinion for M is this. All those heavy cruise ships like X5M X6M and M5, M6 have no need for racebred highrev engines they are to heavy anyway so put turbo s in there. The current M3 is also to heavy. But it really does not need a V8 with 420hp if you can bring the weight down. Look at the 330i engine it has CO2 of 170 that s pretty darn good with 272 hp that engine is not heavy. Alu mag. engine. Make 300hp of that engine and put it in a car which is 1250kg you have a fantastic M car.

It all went wrong to build bigger heavier longer wider cars with bigger en more hp engines in it.

A 3 series car like a E30 or E36 is big enough but no it all has to be bigger and heaver en more hp engine s to win the weight over. But in cornering weight is always youre main problem.

E36 M3 car and engine is most common used als building up a racecar for private racers and teams. The car is just the right size.

If bmw does not downsize the 3 series again. Then M could better concentrate on the 1 series with a 300hp high rev engine. And put Turbo s in all those big heavy boats M3, M5, M6, X5M X6M. And keep the 1 serie s nice and small with a nice real M engine in it.

Sounds like the countdown ending on Dec 15th is about an M car!? I'm confused now.


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