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Re: EVO: Audi S5 - 03-20-2008, 06:22 AM

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Hence my use of the word 'most'. Obviously there are exceptions the rule and it is refreshing to read that mechanical sympathy is still alive and kicking amongst motoring journalists. I'm assuming you're from EVO?

Thanks for the clarification, although I would still argue that this isn't universally the case. I've seen what some testers do to cars.
I agree with the generalisation, although as I said it doesn't apply in this case.

Richard has now departed from EVO and along with Chris Harris and Jethro Bovingdon are working with me on a new project. I can assure you that we will not be abusing our press cars and I will ensure we provide an accurate perspective of what these cars are like to 'own' rather than just drive now and again.
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Re: EVO: Audi S5 - 03-20-2008, 03:28 PM

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Modern Engines if handled with care for the first 5,000 km don't consume much old later in their lifetimes.

I have the suspicion that that particular S5 was handled pretty bad for the first thousand km and that has caused the oil issues.

The first few hundred miles of a new engine's life have a major impact on how strongly that engine will perform, how much oil it will consume and how long it will last. The main purpose of break-in is to seat the compression rings to the cylinder walls. We are talking about the physical mating of the engine's piston rings to it's corresponding cylinder wall. That is, we want to physically wear the new piston rings into the cylinder wall until a compatible seal between the two is achieved.
Proper engine break in will produce an engine that achieves maximum power output with the least amount of oil consumption due to the fact that the piston rings have seated properly to the cylinder wall. When the piston rings are broken in or seated, they do not allow combustion gases to escape the combustion chamber past the piston rings into the crankcase section of the engine. This lack of "blow-by" keeps your engine running cleaner and cooler by preventing hot combustion gases and by-products from entering the crankcase section of the engine. Excessive "blow-by" will cause the crankcase section of the engine to become pressurized and contaminated with combustion gases, which in turn will force normal oil vapors out of the engine's breather, causing the engine to consume excessive amounts of oil.

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In all honesty mate, we are all screwed then. I have seen dock staff thrashing new cars within an inch of there life taking from ships to lorries etc.

So when you pick up your new car and drive it carefully for 1000miles all seems a bit pointless when its already seen FULL THROTTLE and the red-line!


Dealers also drive them hard. So even if your car has a tiny amount of miles 3-10. All of them would be hard miles thus rendering the running in procedure pointless.

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Re: EVO: Audi S5 - 03-20-2008, 04:15 PM

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With all due respect, Carlos, i'll strongly disagree on that one; dealers DO NOT drive those cars hard, they're not allowed to, 'cause regardless of those cars being "demo" cars or such, they cannot act like they own those cars. I drove every single BMW my dealer had in his lounge (except 123d coupe, soon i'll drive that one too). Sooner or later they must sell those cars, you know. Dealer buys the car at one price, needs to sell it and earn some money; he won't let me or any other person to drive it hard...

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Re: EVO: Audi S5 - 03-20-2008, 05:30 PM

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I agree with the generalisation, although as I said it doesn't apply in this case.

Richard has now departed from EVO and along with Chris Harris and Jethro Bovingdon are working with me on a new project. I can assure you that we will not be abusing our press cars and I will ensure we provide an accurate perspective of what these cars are like to 'own' rather than just drive now and again.
Sad to hear about Richard Meaden and Jethro Bovingdon leaving Evo, but also exited about the new project - keep us updated.
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Re: EVO: Audi S5 - 03-30-2008, 07:53 PM

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Exclusive first drive of Audi S5 S-tronic

In the latest issue of evo, (issue 117, on sale 2 April) John Barker explains the mysteries of today's myriad gearbox designs. And now there's another: a new seven-speed, longitudinally-mounted DSG unit launched in the Audi S5.

The idea of a double-clutch transmission in a production car began with the VW group's DSG unit combined with a transverse engine, and it wasn't until the Bugatti Veyron arrived that we saw a longitudinal DSG. The Bugatti's Ricardo-designed unit was somewhat over-engineered for lesser applications, though, which brings us to the next stage in the DSG's evolution.

At the Geneva show Audi revealed the S5 S-tronic, a seven-speed DSG matched to the S5's longitudinal V8 and quattro transmission and which is entirely an Audi in-house design. The principle is the same as in the transverse DSG, with a hollow input shaft running concentrically around a solid one and each shaft connecting to alternate gears, but this time there's no need to squeeze it into a short package as there's a whole transmission tunnel to play with.

So the clutches can have their own compartment, separate from the gears, which means the clutches can bathe in ATF lubricant and the gears in normal hypoid gear oil to the benefit of both. The inner input shaft, engaged by the larger clutch, is mated to first, third, seventh and fifth gears (that's the order, working rearwards), while the outer shaft, whose clutch sits within that of the inner shaft, carries fourth, sixth and second gears. The centre Torsen differential sits on the back of the output shaft, which runs below the input shaft. The first three gears plus reverse, that is the gears with the biggest gap to the next ratios and thus the biggest loads on their synchromesh, have triple-cone synchronisers.

Second gear is pre-selected at 3mph to give a quick shift, and thereafter pre-selection changes to the nearest higher or lower gear according to sensors which help the system predict what will be needed next. The transmission has a 406lb ft torque capacity which makes it suitable for most likely Audi engine applications, and more will follow – particularly diesels whose narrow rev band makes a seven-speed transmission very useful – after this S5. The plan is for the S-tronic to replace the less-efficient torque-converter automatics in some cars, but it won't replace the CVTs.

The usual Tiptronic-type selector lever and steering-wheel paddles are carried over to this S-tronic, and you drive it in just the same way. It behaves very much like a sportingly-programmed torque-converter auto such as a Jaguar's ZF, with a solid, mechanical drive once moving just as in that ZF whose converter stays locked once under way. The shifts are smooth, down or up, helped by the usual well-judged throttle-blip when needed. Seventh gear gives very relaxed cruising; the ratio spread between first and seventh is eight-to-one. Unlike an epicyclic gear train as used in torque-converter autos, in which mathematics dictate what the ratios of the interconnected gears have to be, the S-tronic can have ratios tailored exactly to the car's needs.

Sport mode speeds the shifts (to 100 milliseconds from 200), livens up the kickdown and locks out seventh gear. Manual mode feels near-instant and of course there's the impression of a continuous torque delivery during the shift. Our prototype test car had an occasional slight snatch when shifting but Michael Schöffman, Head of Geared Automatic Transmission, says that will be fixed with the final production calibration before sales start in the summer.
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