Power hungry. Top Gear S5 drive. - Page 4

RICHBOY · **Re: Power hungry. Top Gear S5 drive. -** 05-29-2007, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sunny

Well, everyone has their own preferences on what attributes they value more in a car/segment and the fact is more people prefer what the 3 series has to offer in its segment compared to C Class or A4, the same way more people prefer what the S class has to offer over 7er or A8. You can spin it any way you want it, but sales numbers don't lie. But unfortunately every fan boy has an excuse to explain why their favorite brand is not selling as well and it usually goes something like this:

BMW fans - But it handles better.
Merc fans - it is more comfortable.
Audi fans - it has better interior or my favorite: "97.58% - or some bs % that they pull out of the asses - don't need the extra performance/handling".

And as for reputation/heritage, that is also an attribute you buy into when you buy a car - just like the interior or performance - and what is more, it is even more difficult to build than the shiny new interior or the more powerful engine.

My 2 cents

Let me end your pipe dream real quick and go on to bigger fish.

1) BMW enthusiasts basically volidate the whole "BMW interiors are suspect" notion by staying away from any discussion on interiors.

2) If I remember correctly the RS4 handed the M3 it's ass over the last few years. And let's not forget the RS4 is a sedan, ya know, wife and kids in the back chillin.

3) R8! Which BMW has no answer for! Audi's givin Porsche the business even. And I'm sorry Sunny, BMW's not on Porsches level!

4) See Sunny, their's more to be said about Audi than lovely interiors!

Tycoon · **Re: Power hungry. Top Gear S5 drive. -** 05-29-2007, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RICHBOY

1) BMW enthusiasts basically volidate the whole "BMW interiors are suspect" notion by staying away from any discussion on interiors.

Lame and untrue, if you don't mind.

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Originally Posted by RICHBOY

2) If I remember correctly the RS4 handed the M3 it's ass over the last few years. And let's not forget the RS4 is a sedan, ya know, wife and kids in the back chillin.

Indeed, but real and true V8 competitor to RS4 has just arrived, so easy on that subject, we're not done yet.

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Originally Posted by RICHBOY

3) R8! Which BMW has no answer for! Audi's givin Porsche the business even. And I'm sorry Sunny, BMW's not on Porsches level!

Kudos to Audi for great job done with R8, but bear in mind that it's the 1st Audi ever that can compete with Porsche and i remember many BMWs for a looong time that could keep up with Porsches. You name them.

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Originally Posted by RICHBOY

4) See Sunny, their's more to be said about Audi than lovely interiors!

Absolutely, but something more relevant and with more sense.

RICHBOY · **Re: Power hungry. Top Gear S5 drive. -** 05-29-2007, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TycoonGTR

Lame and untrue, if you don't mind.

Indeed, but real and true V8 competitor to RS4 has just arrived, so easy on that subject, we're not done yet.

Kudos to Audi for great job done with R8, but bear in mind that it's the 1st Audi ever that can compete with Porsche and i remember many BMWs for a looong time that could keep up with Porsches. You name them.

Absolutely, but something more relevant and with more sense.

Let Funny fight his own battle.

P.S Friendly debate Mr. Moderator.

Tycoon · **Re: Power hungry. Top Gear S5 drive. -** 05-29-2007, 08:41 PM

Just continue, guys, no problem. But be cool...

Oh and RB, i just needed to say my opinion about your post, nothing else.

Sunny · **Re: Power hungry. Top Gear S5 drive. -** 05-29-2007, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RICHBOY

Let me end your pipe dream real quick and go on to bigger fish.

1) BMW enthusiasts basically volidate the whole "BMW interiors are suspect" notion by staying away from any discussion on interiors.

2) If I remember correctly the RS4 handed the M3 it's ass over the last few years. And let's not forget the RS4 is a sedan, ya know, wife and kids in the back chillin.

3) R8! Which BMW has no answer for! Audi's givin Porsche the business even. And I'm sorry Sunny, BMW's not on Porsches level!

4) See Sunny, their's more to be said about Audi than lovely interiors!

Haha, *** was all that?

My point, if you took the time to read it, was that in the 3 series segment, the 3 series offers more of what consumers want as shown by the sales number -as simple as that. And you spew al that crap about how RS4 kicks M3 and and how R8 rocks and BMW is not a porsche - where did I say RS4 is not better than the previous $20,000 cheaper M3 or the R8 doesn't rock or BMW is Porsche. Guess, I touched a raw nerve some where.

Any way, take it easy

RICHBOY · **Re: Power hungry. Top Gear S5 drive. -** 05-29-2007, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sunny

Well, everyone has their own preferences on what attributes they value more in a car/segment and the fact is more people prefer what the 3 series has to offer in its segment compared to C Class or A4, the same way more people prefer what the S class has to offer over 7er or A8. You can spin it any way you want it, but sales numbers don't lie. But unfortunately every fan boy has an excuse to explain why their favorite brand is not selling as well and it usually goes something like this:

BMW fans - But it handles better.
Merc fans - it is more comfortable.
Audi fans - it has better interior or my favorite: "97.58% - or some bs % that they pull out of the asses - don't need the extra performance/handling".

And as for reputation/heritage, that is also an attribute you buy into when you buy a car - just like the interior or performance - and what is more, it is even more difficult to build than the shiny new interior or the more powerful engine.

My 2 cents

Remember this post? You took it to another level not me.

Sunny · **Re: Power hungry. Top Gear S5 drive. -** 05-29-2007, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RICHBOY

Remember this post? You took it to another level not me.

What level is that?

May be I missed it, but besides the RS4 kicks M3 and R8 rocks, I haven't seen any thing relevant from you about the point I was trying to make - which again for the nth time is how 3 series sells better because it offers more of what customers want. So unless you have some thing a little more relevant than RS4 kicks M3 or R8 rocks, I am sorry I have nothing more to add.

RICHBOY · **Re: Power hungry. Top Gear S5 drive. -** 05-29-2007, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sunny

What level is that?

May be I missed it, but besides the RS4 kicks M3 and R8 rocks, I haven't seen any thing relevant from you about the point I was trying to make - which again for the nth time is how 3 series sells better because it offers more of what customers want. So unless you have some thing a little more relevant than RS4 kicks M3 or R8 rocks, I am sorry I have nothing more to add.

Listen up Sunny, you had nothing to add from the begining. I already dismissed your useless post. You made a discussion about car quality plus and minuses into a discussion about sells.

I could careless about car sells sunny, if that's the case the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry are the best to cars on the planet because of sales. Move on Sunny or bring a friend!

Deutsch · 11:59 PM

There are better things to do w/ your time than bicker with people whom you'll probably never see, or meet.

The more I read about the A5 the more it comes off as an acquired taste, like "if you like previous Audi's you'll like this one". In truth that kind of sucks, this was suppose to be a milestone car for Audi that propelled it past the coveted recognition BMW has received for so many years for the dynamics of it's automobiles. As much as I've said steering feel and what not only do so much, it's true that it does wonders. Hard to dismiss the A5 though, such a great looker, inside and out. It also sounds like Audi actually had the opportunity to kick things up a notch but passes up the opportunity to do so, a real shame on their part. In the end only a drive can make or break this car for me.

Just_me · **Re: Power hungry. Top Gear S5 drive. -** 05-30-2007, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by RICHBOY

Something tells me if you were to sit behind a 335i, S5, and a C-Class on a show room floor you'd realize just how out classed the 3-Series truely is. 0.2 Sec hear or their won't make-up for that!!

I couldn't disagree with you more!