Try the Edmunds.com Sedans Forums. I'm there and I battle (mainly smash and squash) Lexus fanatics daily.

Hear are the most recent posts:

http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/Web...?displayRecent

I'm telling you guys this is the best reading you'll ever see anywhere on the net about the Germans vs. the Toyota/Lexus bunch! Scroll back and read the thousands of posts, I've been there since 1999 and a couple of the Lexus fanatics on there in particular make it so easy to prove that they're cluessless about cars. I've also found that Toyota/Lexus fanatics aren't enthusisast, they only like Toyota/Lexus products and they're pretty ignorant about any other brand beyond what their surveys tell them. Such a sad bunch.

M