great skills andyvalencia really lovely stuff you dobe with the 7er interiro and the s class facelift

i dont really like the interior if it truns out like this or the pics we have seen it looks like they meixed the x5 and current 7er were as it should have been the benchmark for following models from bmw its basically a x5/x6 mixed with current 7

they could have done much much more in my opinion just look at the step the last 7 or s or even lexus took bmw seems really scared or worried to take bold steps with the 7 both inside and outside to be honest i find the outside boring...

what happen to the guys who designed the awesome cs concept .....bmw could have done much much more from what i am seeing from spypics and pics on the thread its not a big step as i expected i really thaught the new 7 will blow the s away in terms off looks or design and interior but i think its safe to say they wont blow the s class away remeber the s class is already 3 years old although it seems still very fresh and new

Now, that looks promising and andy, man you sure have skills! Karma for you!

I'm also a big fan of the interior if it's going to look like that!

Because the competitors offer bigger cars as well in this segment.

Because executive class cars ( 5er) are getting bigger as well.

Because there is LWB 5er offered in Chinese market - so there also have to be significant size difference between 5er & 7er.

I guess people want larger & more spacious cars. Imagine eg. BMW not enlarging the 7er, and when new 5er comes the difference in size would be insignificant - and the rival carmakers eg. Audi coming with the eg. new generation A6 with almost same size as theoretically -not-enlarged F01 yet with a price of 5er. Not a good scenario.

Btw, by bigger I mean longer & wider, yet not taller!


Exactly.

Shallow greenhouse, more coupeish roof, long & straight & powerful shoulder line, bigger wheels, improved proportions (eg. nose not looking as weak anymore in comparison to the rest of the car).

If every part is enlarged then the major dimensions (LxWxH) are well hidden. MB have done that with C-class, and doing it again with E-class - the designs are so balanced in proportions & so beefy the whole car looks visually smaller than it really is.




A said so many times: in design terms F01 isn't revolutionary in regard to current BMW model line as it was E65 to the BMW model line at that time. This time the transition is very smooth & evolutionary. But still - when comparing E65 to F01 the differences are very visible. So, beside new details (eg. larger grille, new LED rear light design, Hofmeister kink echo etc) F01 isn't bringing any revolutionary design solutions inside & outside. It's just a little step further from the last launched new BMW model - the X6. Very continuous process this time ... no big steps.

Also: it was said by BMW designers their marketing researchers detected "reduced zen-like design" is currently a trend in luxury segment. Simple, clean yet powerful lines. So BMW designers addressed that, and brought back some E38 elements E65 missed (eg. shark-like nose, driver oriented dash, sleek visual appearence).

I find it very interesting in this respect: MB is going more expressive with their future designs, applying numerous busy lines & curve. Audi is also bolder in their designs with every new car they introduce. I guess Lexus will also be more radical. So will eg. new Jaguar XJ.

Now imagine calm & clean design of F01 7er ... Completely standing out from the crowd - again!

Regarding to the buzz E65 created in 2001 the F01 will be much more "boring" in this respect. Also the design won't be as controversial & as in-your-face. But it is still very modern, trendy & futuristic / avant-garde. Yet calm & clean. Definitely not boring.

But it definitely fits much better in BMW model line than E65 in 2001 --- F01 won't stand out from BMW model line as much.

Regarding BMW styling: "Bangle-design" with flame surfacing refinement & evolution. With some heavily stylized "retro" elements eg. shark-like nose, driver-oriented dash etc)

Also have in mind: designers are limited with marketing & engineering expectation. They get the frame (all the dimensions), and they just have to style the "skin".

... F01 ...

People who love current BMW model line - especially the latest models introduced - will love it.
People who hate "Bangelized" BMWs will hate it - just like they hate all the current BMWs.
People who expect F01 to be as special & revolutionary as E65 was in 2001 will be disappointed, and will find "F01 "boring & unexcited".
People who expect F01 to be ugly duckling again will be pleasantly surprised since the car is a looker.

thanks eni for response to my post

well i will wait for the final pics to make judgement or when i see it but i must say i was expecting much more then what i am seeing so far in the 7 i thaught it would out class my dads s class in all ways but its not really looking it

lets see when offical or final pics are posted

by the way eni how does valencia int pics seem to you from the real car can you give some details

Considering that you're a big MB fan and don't seem to like BMW's current models, that would basically be impossible, now wouldn't it?

yeah i am a great mb fan but i am not crazy and do appreciate bms which are good and i have respect for all car manufactures..just when i think off the 7 or s class i think off them as the leaders off their company or categories..although the current 7 design was not great it did start a new trend which even mb to a certain extent has followed


but with this 7 i dont see anything so far that is a great step ahead infact it seems very much as iff bmw have take a consevative stance on the car


and as for the interiro i see toomuch mix between the current 7 the x5 and a bit off the 5er..when you think off the current one it was the interiro that the rest off the upcumming models follwed here its not that way


as for the exterior when i saw the cs concept pics it was stunning and i no they wouldn make the 7 as sporty or as dynamic

but atleast bmw could have used it as a inspiration and gone that route instead it seems more like a major facelift off the current 7


all said i will make a final judgment on final pics

by the way i have learnt to respect other manufactures in particular bmw from being on germancarzone an reading and mixing with fellow people its a great place to be

Haha, it's a classic example of pretending to have huge expectations and then no matter how the result turns out say that you are disappointed. Seen it a thousand times.

It may be that this is not the case here, but if it looks like a duck...

Like EnI already mentioned we've known for long time the F01/02 was not going to be another revolution design-wise. A lot of cues from the CS will nevertheless be used in the design.
The F01/02 will be much more focused on other qualities like technology and driving dynamics. And just like before, most of the new features debuting with the 7er will be later on found in other BMW models.

Anyway, I believe the 7er should be something like 10 times better than the S-Class before we'd see S-Class owners trading in their cars.

That has happened to the vast majority of our members, myself included.

I´m wondering why so many people like the current MB S-class. While the interior of that car is at least kind of elegant I can´t find the over all design of the S-class very convincing. The front quite modern, the rear reminding the late 1950´s design of the so called "Ponton" - in between huge fenders like the late 1990´s Ford Escort. I was driving the S-class quite a few times, it´s a very good car, but there´s not even a HUD available and the Mercedes version of the i-drive is by far more confusing than the original one by BMW (which I actually can´t even call confusing). Well, I remember the outcry wenn the e65 was introduced. So many people didn´t like it at all. They said: this is not the BMW design we know and like. Now, when BMW is in a way going back to it´s tradititon designing elegant and sportive looking cars some call this style "boring". Judging from the white FEP F01 spypics I can only say: this car is going to be just great!
Best regards, Swingfan

The 7er is definitely more interesting..