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F01/F02 BMW 7er - Spy Pics & Info -- PART II

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Old 09-28-2007, 08:47 PM   #11
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Re: F01 BMW 7er - spy pics -- PART II

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I don't know if you're joking with that smiley face at the end of your sentence but MB's F series concepts have been design studies in some cases. Have a look at the F200.

F200


W220 S class
yep thats the only one..
i guess it remains to be seen if the F700 is tech or design
personally i wouldnt say that just beacuse of one F car (F200) the F700 will be MB´s future..
but who knows
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Old 09-29-2007, 08:27 AM   #12
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Re: F01 BMW 7er - spy pics -- PART II

^^^^ Hahaha!
Nice one Porsche Guy. I completely forgot that the W220 is like a carbon copy of the F200 (the front at least)

Now Artist cannot say the F-series cars are only design concepts. They CLEARLY are not.

All the best with the new S class, MB guys So far, signs point to a horrible looking car!
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Old 09-29-2007, 09:26 AM   #13
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Re: F01 BMW 7er - spy pics -- PART II

^i think you got to excited there.. i never said that F cars where only DESIGN concepts..
i said that they where only TECHNOLOGY concepts

damn man.. get a grip
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Re: F01 BMW 7er - spy pics -- PART II

Here is a link to a gallery with some new spyshots :

Erlkönig: Neuer BMW 7er - neuheiten - Autozeitung.de=

In the article they mention the V8 TT engine with 490 Hp as additional choice

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Re: F01 BMW 7er - spy pics -- PART II

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^^^^ Hahaha!
Nice one Porsche Guy. I completely forgot that the W220 is like a carbon copy of the F200 (the front at least)

Now Artist cannot say the F-series cars are only design concepts. They CLEARLY are not.

All the best with the new S class, MB guys So far, signs point to a horrible looking car!
The next E-Class will have the big grille and headlight design of the F700.



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Old 10-03-2007, 07:52 AM   #16
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Re: F01 BMW 7er - spy pics -- PART II

V8 with 490hp, thats more than 760Li. So can we expect 530hp for the V12?
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V8 with 490hp, thats more than 760Li. So can we expect 530hp for the V12?
Wow! 490 hp? Great if true and definitely no need for X5 M if that's the case. Those 490 ponies and 2 turbos will do the job against Cayenne Turbo and ML63.

Oh and V12 must get some serious update/power boost. By the time next 7er arrives, current 445 hp will seem weak.

The article also says the new V8 diesel will push about 350hp.

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Re: F01 BMW 7er - spy pics -- PART II

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Wow! 490 hp? Great if true and definitely no need for X5 M if that's the case. Those 490 ponies and 2 turbos will do the job against Cayenne Turbo and ML63.

Oh and V12 must get some serious update/power boost. By the time next 7er arrives, current 445 hp will seem weak.

The article also says the new V8 diesel will push about 350hp.

490 hp sounds pretty great for the V8 TT! Perfect, in fact.

As for the current V12...Tycoon, I've always thought it was severely underpowered. Right from the start. And it's a damn shame, because it probably is the best V12 in production, and is capable of so much more.
For the next V12, I think 550 hp is the minimum.

So 350 hp for the V8 TT diesel, and 490 hp for the V8 TT gasoline...The Diesel looks a bit underpowered actually. The difference has always been much less (286 hp vs 306 hp and 330 hp vs 367 hp) But then again, the current V8 4.8 is an old, NA engine, so.....

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From Autozeitung:

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Der neue Siebener von BMW soll ab 2008 deutlich mehr Dynamik versprühen als die aktuelle Version. Die Chancen für eine sportliche M-Version des großen Bayern stehen nicht schlecht.

Bei den Motoren werden vorrangig Sechs- und Achtzylinder mit Benzin-Direkteinspritzung zum Zuge kommen
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April 2008, more dynamic, the chances for an M version of the 7er are 'not bad'. 6-and 8 cylinder direct injection.
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Re: F01 BMW 7er - spy pics -- PART II

klier, 350hp diesel is one stage turbo, not 2. Only an update of current engine in 745d.

And yes, i agree that V12 is underpowered compared to the one in S600 for example, but 550 seems too optimistic to me... 510 or so would do the job.

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Re: F01 BMW 7er - spy pics -- PART II

Ahhh, that explains it perfectly well. Never thought of that, lol
I guess they think 350 hp is enough for a diesel, no need to twin turbocharge it.
However, with a power upgrade to the current 3.0 TT diesel, which is bound to happen, it'll be awefully close to the new V8 diesel.
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