You're right, but that was like that since there wasn't turbo in a BMW for more than 2 decades and that's the impression that many of us got - that NA is the only way to go.

Now, they've decided to go for Turbos again and noone can change it. As i've stated i don't understand why all of a sudden a change of something that lasted really long, but i guess only BMW can give the right answer. But that doesn't mean i have to hate them for that. Turbo or not, as long as it's a true M car with it's characteristics i'm satisfied.

I just don't want them to become 55K AMGs - straightline performers and nothing else!

Are you pissed off with MB for adding NA engines to their AMGs and becoming driver's car more than ever before? I don't think so...

Yeah sure, nice way of glossing over it.

No I'm not upset at AMG, I love the new engines and 55K cars aren't just straight line performers either.

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I'm not glossing over anything, just giving you my honest opinion.

Compared to today's AMG cars (6.3, Black Series), yes, they are straight line performers.

Ok, nothing wrong with that. I just wish I could find all those posts from certain BMW fanatics here that talked down on Audi and Mercedes for using forced induction. How MB and Audi were such simpletons for just slapping on turbos or superchargers and what not. Now if and I say if, because I don't believe that spy pic was a turbo M5, BMW does it fits right in. Heritage be damned.

If BMW does do a turbo M car it will be the ultimate crow dish for BMW hardliners here.


No they weren't. You act as though an E55 just couldn't handle at all. This is quite frankly a very tired exaggeration from BMW fans. Yes the new E63 handles better than the E55, but the E55 wasn't exactly a Lexus or Cadillac either in the corners. There was nothing like a Black Series before now so that is irrelevant comparing them to a regular AMG model from the past. The Black Series cars are a totally new thing. The SLK55 from day one has been a handler and I seem to remember the SL55 beating an M6 around a track according to some test a while back. To just say all 55 cars were poor handlers simply isn't true.

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I don't exaggerate when i say that new AMGs are more of a driver's car than they ever were. And of course 55k aren't Caddys or Lexus, if i sounded like that i appologize.

Just like turbo'd M cars will become something totally new and for the record i don't care for what was 30 and more years ago when i wasn't even born.

Yeah but the 2 issues aren't nearly the same. I didn't care what AMG put under the hood long as it sounded right and had kick-arse power. This BMW M thing about natural aspiration only may have started before you were born, but you adhered to adhered/subscribed to it did you not?

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How come people rather discuss members than cars?
BMW changes, just like people changes. You cant stop admiring the brand bmw just becuase they starting to use Turbo.
My personally view on Turbo vs NA is that cars with NA engines are nicer to drive than a turbo engine, offer a nice feeling. But turbo engines are under progress and getting improved, if BMW can build a highreeving turbo engine that behave lovely and if it gets more advantages than a highreeving NA engine then go for it but dont take away what makes M so nice to drive. A highreeving formula is fun to me.

Regarding E55 and E63, the new is much better car than E55. Better steering feel and better handling. In E55 you could feel the suspension was too soft sometimes this you dont notice in E63. Only thing I find better in E55 is the engine sound but other than that, E63 is the car you want, not the E55. Speaking of own experiences and what I prefer, some might not agree but thats the way I see it.

No way i'm going to deny that, i admit, i adhered to that philosophy.

That's why i'm saying i cannot understand why this sudden change of something that was more than successful for many, many years...

But i also say that i don't want to doubt them since they've shown what they can do with adding turbos to non-M cars (35i) and i'm sure that they can do even better with M models.

As long as it's a car with high revving engine even if turbo is added, with handling that is an example to many other car makers and still having reason to be called ultimate driving machine, i have nothing against it.

Fair enough. Though I still think we're going about nothing. I can't see BMW adding a turbo to the current M5. The car in the spy pic could have been something else being tested.

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That's exactly what i forgot to put at the end of my post. 1st let's see a turbo'd M car and then we can come back to this subject again...