I would have no problem with it,Tycoon,trust me..I´m only thinking at loud.And yes,3.0 TT engine is a masterpice..truly remarkable product that shows BMW ability to produce top notch turbo engines after 20 years of winter sleep.But,as you mentioned,there is only wait and see what will unfold to be M division intention with engine layout,is it ?I´m having my fingers crossed .

Who said that?

I guess we shouldn't be against BMW turbos now, BMW has proved they can do it very nicely with the 335i, and Twin-turbo in the is not what BMW is marketing for, BMW is kinda asking people to just treat it like any other NA petrol engine with great performance, because the characteristic of it is no inferior to NA engines, superior with low end torque, you dont' even need to know it has a bi-turbo. This contrasts to MB, where they stick some letters like 'kompressor' or 'bi-turbo' onto the side or back of the car, or Audi like 2.0T.
So I think a turbo M car is possible. With the M3 they can live with less power if the chassis is superior, but M5 is a big beast and buyers of these cars are probably those rich guys who wana win traffic light starts, regardless how it goes round the corner. If they are like 80hp down on the RS6, that is a huge difference, some cars only has 80hp output..:s Anyhow, driving pleasure should still be top priority.

Like said before many times:


M brand (just like BMW brand) has certain values & philosophy that can be achieved / delivered via different technology. These values & philosophies are not tech-dependent.

Eg. when BMW engineers will be able to develop & produce a certain tech (at right price!) that will fit the brand perfectly, then such tech will be introduced & offered.




It is stupid to assume certain tech is associated with certain product / brand. Tech changes. Tech development is constant. Sticking with "old" tech (especially when competitors are using better new one) is a formula for a disaster.

Turbos in M? DiesOtto engines in M? SuperHybrid M? All that is possible.

Mind that eg. F1 is going green, and all such super-performance + green tech will be developed & at certain time point also offered in production cars. So, if a turbo engine, DiesOtto engine, or a SuperHybrid will be good enough to be used in F1 cars (incl BMW ones) I'm sure such tech will be more than perfect to be featured in BMW M models as well.

So, currently high-rev NA engines fit M brand best. But that can change in the (not-so-distant) future when alternative tech is available - an alternative tech that will be able to express & deliver all the M values, promises, experiences.

i dont know..ask yourself..
obviously you think that there is a diffrence between bmw turbo engines and others..
thats why its suddently fit for M to have them
right?

1. No, I dont think bangle turbos are different from others. where did I say that?

2. As long as its its a high-reeving engine I see no problem with Turbos. also bmw has prooved with 335i that a turbo engine can behave like a NA engine.

3. Suddenly? My opinions is the same as it always been, I dont change opinions suddenly.

^okay so you have NEVER said that NA is the only way to go for M??

Wow, amazing how all you guys change your tune so fast. I remember it being said on more than a few times that natural aspiration was the only way to go for an M car. Now its ok? When BMW starts to get big torque numbers out of these same engines that too will be welcomed with open arms too right?

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Dont know but I wouldnt be surprised if I said so when I become a BMW fanboy.
Times changes and if BMW can make a great turbo engine that behave like NA engine then why not and I want it HR not a sauerkraut that only rev to 6000 rpm.
BUT there is no such thing that says bmw is going to start with Turbo any time soon, I reckon we are still at least 5 years ahead before it might happen.
Now BMW highreeving engines are still very competive, only disadvantage is that they are thirsty on fuel and in the future we will see sportcars that drink less fuel and then Turbo is a way to reduce fuel consumption, not highreeving engines.